Calculating, Obfuscating, Triangulating…Enough Hillary!

Enough with Hillary. Enough with the lying. Enough with the blame game. Enough with the scorched Earth tactics. Enough with the trying to be everything to everybody.

Hillary…please…just go away.

I am tired of you already. I am tired of the fact that you deck the boys between the eyes, and then pull the girly girl routine the moment anybody dares to hit back.

Can anybody imagine Margaret Thatcher behaving this way? Benazir Bhutto is fighting against people who want to have her detained to her home, or worse, murdered by a car bomb. The toughest challenge Hillary will face in this election is a tough question.

It seems that is too much for her. Now it has been proven that Hillary cannot handle unscripted questions from known softball interviewers like Larry King. Now she needs to preselect the questioners in advance. Even worse, she needs to pretend that these are spontaneous questions.

The purpose of townhall meetings are to get to know the voters. What explanation can be given for this type of charade except that Hillary simply is not interested in hearing what the voters have to say?

How can Hillary expect to deal with world leaders such as Armageddonijad if she is scared to death of the voters?

Hillary, are you for it, or against it?

What issue, some of you may ask?

Any issue.

In 1992, President Bush 41 favored NAFTA, and Ross Perot was against it. Bill Clinton was all over the map. The same was true with his Gulf War position. Yet this was 1992, when the economy was paramount, and voters wanted change.

We are at war, and all Hillary offers us is calculating, obfuscating, and triangulating. For the love of all things holy, just take some stands woman! Risk ticking people off.

Some people think that I should abandon the current President Bush’s position on the Iraq War because his poll numbers are low. So what? I agree with his position. Actually, with all due respect to the President, he agrees with my position. I don’t care if I am the last man standing next to the President on this issue. I believe he is right.

As for Hillary, she has to start taking clear stands. Some issues are black and white.

Does she favor waterboarding or not? Is she willing to confiscate the profits of oil companies? Will she raise taxes? Where is she on the idea of giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses?

Hillary, every answer will be a right answer and a wrong answer. Yet no answer is the worst possible answer, because it reinforces the notion that you are, as William Safire said, a “congenital liar.” Of course, the response to that very accurate accusation was to have your husband, through his press secretary no less, threaten to punch Mr. Safire in the nose. Pathetic, simply pathetic.

Here are four examples of taking potentially unpopular positions, none of which have caused any long term damage.

1) John McCain is against waterboarding, favored a softer illegal immigration stance than others, and was behind a horrible campaign finance law that allowed your husband and his Vice President to break the law in 1996. He is still in the race, and his “straight talk” earns the respect of those who disagree with him. Also, when he got caught in the Keating 5 scandal, he took the blame. As for the war, he wanted a full scale escalation when the American people wanted out. He would rather lose an election than a war. That is called honor, and he is loaded with it.

2) Fred Thompson supported the campaign finance reform law as well. He apologized, and called it a terrible mistake. He also, in front of a Jewish audience, refused to even consider clemency for convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard. He could have pandered, but he was unequivocal in his denunciation of a many who spied against America.

3) Rudy Giuliani supports abortion rights. Yet rather than pander, he stated he would be respectful of those who disagreed with him. He just picked up the endorsement of Pat Robertson, which would never have happened had he backpedaled.

4) Mitt Romney has said that we should double Guantanamo Bay. He has stated that all options are on the table with Iran (as have his opponents). Yes, these positions could hurt in a general election, but principles and convictions matter.

I used to think Bill Clinton had no core beliefs. Hillary does have core beliefs, but will not let people see them. She wants to offend nobody, and eke out a narrow victory.

The problem with this strategy is that she will not be able to govern. Her presidency would be a failure because too many people hate her guts. She blames them, but refuses to see that some of it is her own making. She excoriates President Bush, despite the fact that he has been overwhelmingly gracious to her husband, sending him on missions around the globe. It is not about policy. It is about civility and decency. When President Bush gives a speech, Hillary will not smile. She will have that stone cold look on her face, either because she fears the leftinistras will be angry with her if she is seen as kind to the enemy, or worse, because perhaps she truly does hate his guts.

Hillary fails to grasp that her constantly criticizing presidential prerogatives will come back to bite her when she wants those same prerogatives. Can anybody picture a left wing judge getting a fair hearing, even if they are qualified? What about easy confirmations of her cabinet? She wants to hit people with brickbats and then be treated with kid gloves.

Hillary supporters will inevitably fall back on the “everybody does it” defense. No, everybody does not do it. Some people look people in the eye, and tell them what they need to hear, not what they want to hear. Liberals may hate Ronald Reagan, but he remains beloved by an overwhelming majority, many of whom have never been registered republicans. He was sincere. Also, he was self deprecating.

Reagan made fun of his own age. George W. Bush makes fun of his own syntax. Even gadfly Ross Perot in a debate had the crowd rollicking when he said, “I’m all ears.”

Hillary wants to be perfect. She can’t be. She is not God. She needs to be more human, instead of the ice cold android she is criticized for being. She could even say something like, Ok, so I am much behind on the learning curve…yet if there is anything I know about, it is being much behind.”

Yes, a joke about her own rumpus would be a major shock. Yet it would actually humanize her. She does not have to descend into low brow toilet humor, but any humor would help. Most importantly, for humor to work it has to be based on truth. Reagan was old, and Perot did have gigantic ears.

Most importantly, Hillary has to understand that no matter what she does, some will like her and some will dislike her. Disagreeing with her does not make me or anyone else evil.

Imagine if Hillary went into West Virginia and announced she favored more gun control. She would anger gun owners, but they already dislike her. She would be taking a clear stand, and win some votes. Or, she can go to Massachussetts and say she favors less gun control. She just cannot and should not do both. What if she said she would raise taxes, and use those higher taxes to pay for more social programs? This is who she is. It would be honest.

Some say honesty would be political suicide for her, but that means she is too weak to defend her ideas.

The first thing she should do is learn from democratic strategist Flavia Colgan, who declared in an interview that, “I am a proud liberal.”

Hillary calls herself a modern progressive. Hillary, call yourself a liberal, and then justify why that is acceptable. Can Hillary possibly truly believe that all her beliefs are wrong? Of course not. She simply believes enough of the voters think she is wrong. Rather than try to win them over, she chooses to simply restrict the voters.

The same woman who bemoans the secrecy of the current administration has had her entire career based on secrecy, whether it be her failed health care plan, her college thesis, or her position on any policy issue that has less than 60% popular support. Now she needs to plant questions in townhall meetings. She might win the election, but at what cost? The 19 year old girl that was asked to be the political pawn in her chess match of a campaign has said the experience has left her disillusioned about politics and the media. So this is putting people first. Nice.

Hillary, either stand for something…or sit down. Either loudly proclaim who you are…or be quiet and quit bothering us with your nonsense and scandals.

You cannot unite the country behind you, but you can unite it against you. You are too polarizing to win everybody over, but until you stop crying foul, and stop playing dirty, and start showing an ounce of human credibility about anything, you will be relegated to either being a loser on the campaign trail, or a woman unable to govern.

Lady Thatcher is a legend that helped change the world. Lady Clinton would rather change positions, regardless of the worldly consequences.

It is not about male versus female. It is about integrity and leadership versus suspicion and crying and blame. Nixon had his enemies list, and it devoured him. Hillary is on the road to a train wreck, one paranoid mistrustful episode at a time.

Like the cheating husband who is suspicious of his spouse to cover up his own failings, Hillary mistrusts the voters, because she fears…rightfully so…that they mistrust her.

eric

35 Responses to “Calculating, Obfuscating, Triangulating…Enough Hillary!”

  1. micky2 says:

    Black Tygrrr wrote;
    :It seems that is too much for her. Now it has been proven that Hillary cannot handle unscripted questions from known softball interviewers like Larry King. Now she needs to preselect the questioners in advance. Even worse, she needs to pretend that these are spontaneous questions.”

    What really made it bad was that the question was about gerbil warming.
    The perfect subject to pander on. And the first thing out her mouth was ” alot of young people ask me this question ” ( gee, I wonder why ?)
    Heres what the plant herself had to say, its pretty damaging stuff.

    http://www.thebuzzsession.com/2007/11/hillarys-plant.html

  2. Jersey McJones says:

    Oh God, not you too, Tygrrrr. Do you really fall for all this Hillary baiting too? She’s just another pol. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    JMJ

  3. micky2 says:

    Yea well, when CNN gives out bad Hillary news. ITS BAD !

  4. paul says:

    Forgetting everything else about her…if it were possible-

    She is an absolute surgical freak.

    It is amazing that the number of women in politics are walking billboards of EXCESSIVE cometic surgery. Blink, if you can, Nancy.
    Women are not alone-Fred Thompson had some sort of fishing wire sewn on each cheek to make him smile more. He looks like the ‘grinning spectre of death’. The press isn’t going to say anything, but these people are walking freak shows.

    They don’t look younger, they look the cast from Brazil 2.

    Electing hrc would be embracing this new normal of victims of cosmetic surgery, who hide around other victims, in order to fit in and look normal. She looks like she is on the back of pershing missle going faster than mach 2, sans helmet.

    The leader of the US is going to go around the world, and the first thing people will ask is what the f**k happened to her face?

  5. Gayle says:

    I disagree with Mickey. Hillary is not just another pol. She is a socialist pol, and she is dangerous to America and everything it stands for! Great post, Eric! We should all expose her for what she is every chance we get. To ignore her and simply put her in the category of “just another politician” would be a gross mistake.

    I have a hilarious video regarding both Hillary and Bill that you might enjoy. It’s not only funny but it’s the truth. 🙂

  6. Matthew says:

    Wonderful post! Just today in my Geometry class some girls were bashing Bush, and calling anyone who didn’t cheer for Hilary a sexist. Why were they bashing Bush? For everything he has been doing! For everything he’s screwed up! Too bad they didn’t know what “things” he’s did, and what things he’s “screwed up” so terribly. Actually, they didn’t know why they wanted Hilary to be president. I’ll tell you that, she’s a woman. So let me ask you this: If a man is sexist for not wanting a woman president, isn’t a woman even more sexist if she votes for a woman solely because she’s a woman? Once again, wonderful post, and remember: I’ll be there with you when you stand next to Bush, It’ll be a party!

  7. docattheautopsy says:

    Which is the bigger socialist? Hillary, Obama or Edwards? The answer is: Yes!

    I am hoping Edwards steals the nomination. He can’t win a national election because he’s too far removed from reality that he’s going to come off as a loon in a national setting. Obama’s scary because he’s so charming people swoon when he talks about Purple America. The only thing true about a Purple America is that we’ll all be talking and acting like Barney the Purple Dinosaur. Hillary’s shrewd. She knows the score. She is a socialist but the media loves her. Her big mistake with planted questions was that she didn’t let the press ask those questions, so she effectively FEMA’d them, which tends to upset them.

    But the really scary part is the GOP field. Is there anyone there who can win the nomination and win the country? And what’s the deal with RON PAUL landing 5-7% of the polls?

  8. micky2 says:

    Gayle, please dont ever mix me up with Jersey McJones again.
    I’m sure it was an honest mistake.
    And Gayle, You’re right !

  9. Jersey McJones says:

    Jeez. More ridiculous Hillary paranoia. What the heck kind of comic-book universe are you conservatives living in? She’s the same as all the rest of ’em. Why do you think liberals don’t really like her? Because she’s just another pol. Give it a rest.

    JMJ

  10. micky2 says:

    No Jersey, shes worse than the rest of them.
    If libs dont really like her whats the next choice ?
    Obama ? Edwards ? LOL
    You guys are screwed, again.

  11. Jersey McJones says:

    People like me (ya’ know, “Liberals”) would prefer Edwards to Hillary. I prefer Obama to Hillary too. I’d prefer pretty much everyone other Dem than Hillary. Not just because I think she will lose, but because she’s a typicalpol like her husband. A real liberal, like me, would prefer Gravel or Kucinich over the rest. The point is simple – we libs have the same lousy choices this cycle as you conservatives. One thing about Hillary that we all should like is that she would probably keep the boat of state afloat the way her husband did, as oppossed to the way your guys have been lately.

    JMJ

  12. micky2 says:

    The conservatives are giving each other heat jersey, Our choices are way better.
    Obama ? He cant get out of his own way fast enough.
    Tea with iran and bomb Pakistan ?
    Edwards is a joke, hes not even gonna place.
    That leaves you with Hillary, LOL.

    You guys are screwed.

  13. Jersey McJones says:

    I don’t have “guys” in this, Micky. Maybe you do, but not me.

    There is no frontrunner that I’m pleased with.

    JMJ

  14. micky2 says:

    Ah, the word games again.
    I give you more credit than you think I think you deserve.
    Your guys, or “you guys” would be the liberals, Dems, progressive libs, elite or whatever the special is today that you would like to be labled with.
    Since you have no frontrunner that you are pleased with just confirms how really screwed you/your guys are.

  15. greg says:

    Jersey, the reason they’re so hard on Hillary is that deep down, they know she’s probably going to win and it scares the hell out of them.

  16. William says:

    Unfreakin believeable, Hillary’s staff plants a few questions…. how does that compare with Bush “losing 5 million emails” in clear violation of the Presidential Records Act, or planting a former gay prostitute Jeff Gannon Gukert as a fake journalist who posed planted questions to Bush during WH Press conferences before the world’s media?

    By the way, speaking of integrity, you can research all of Bush’s lies in a neatly organized website hosted by the US Congress:

    http://oversight.house.gov/IraqOnTheRecord/

    The Bush nightmare is almost over but it may take a decade and a few presidents to repair the damage.

  17. micky2 says:

    So William, I guess your perception gives lying a pass ?
    Hillary and Boy in tow have a legacy of B.S , cover ups and shenanigans unmatched by any one candidate in history.

    Check it out.
    Yes, we would like to check out the Clinton records please. Oh, what’s that, no one can see them? I thought in 2004, Hillary claimed that all of the records at the Clinton Library would be opened. She said on CNN’s Larry King Live, “That’s one of the things the library really stands for. It physically stands for openness with all the glass and the light. But he wants it to be a place where people come and really study. And everything’s going to be available.”

    Nearly three years after the opening of the Clinton Presidential Library and the ensuing Freedom of Information Act Requests, less than half of one percent of the library’s documents are open for review.

    ABC News reported on November 6, 2007 that another Arkansas library containing documents related to Clinton won’t be available until after the 2008 election.

    On the campaign trail, Clinton consistently speaks to her level of experience; yet, she will not allow details of that experience to be reviewed by the public. The American people deserve to know what information is being guarded in these libraries.

    After signing our petition, you’ll be able to print out your very own Clinton library card. Our goal is to have thousands of people sign this petition before December 31, 2007, in hopes that this will inspire Hillary to agree to share the library documents as her New Year’s resolution.

    Please help us push this issue forward by signing our petition at http://www.clintonlibrarycard.com and be sure to forward the link to your friends and associates. We all deserve the opportunity to review the records contained in the Clinton Library, the records which supposedly prove Hillary’s “unique experience.” Help us achieve this goal!

  18. micky2 says:

    Greg wrote;
    “Jersey, the reason they’re so hard on Hillary is that deep down, they know she’s probably going to win and it scares the hell out of them.”

    Greg, dark side of the moon ?

  19. Mr Bushmills says:

    You all seem to argue well. Check out a colleague of mine at my Townhall site. He’s Bernard Chumm and he’s launching a ‘Scat-Patrol” going after foul-mouthed lefties on the blogosphere. The Shite-ing Bovine he calls it.
    You might like Moses Sands, too.

  20. Jersey McJones says:

    Greg, I can’t tell if they’re afraid of her or want her because they think she’s beatable. On the other hand, blogger Lazy Iguana is convinced the Dems are intentionally trying to lose the White House because the country is such a mess that they don’t want to get the blame for it down the road. Also, whoever wins inherits the quagmire in Iraq, as did Nixon with Vietnam. I’m not sure what to believe in all this. I fear that the sort of irrational hatred of Hillary that we se here might drive otherwsie disaffected conservative voters this cycle to come out and vote against her and hand the election to whatever lunatic emerges from the GOP primaries. With Obama, between his race and his name the very same my occur. Edwards or Richardson, for example, would be a lot harder to beat, especially because they do not have extensive legislative backgrouds that can be twisted around by the GOP sleaze-machine (you know, like “I was before it before I was against it” – retarded voters really ate that one up) that has kept any senator from standing a chance since the 60’s.

    JMJ

  21. micky2 says:

    So Jersey, like I said;
    One way or the other you/your guys are screwed !

    The only thing Hillary knows how to run is her mouth, and she sucks at that.
    She does not have the qualifications ” AT ALL ” to run this country. So she has to wing it everywhere she goes.
    True, the political ploys are the same on each side of the isle.
    And now they are all catching up with her.
    The perspective that we have nothing to do but bash her is incorrect.
    Her actions leave everyone no choice but to come after her.
    Lindsay Lohan, Paris and Brittany havnt drummed up as much contoversy in the last 2 weeks as she has. And whats really sad is that this is not an exageration on my part.

    Iguana said;
    ” Dems are intentionally trying to lose the White House because the country is such a mess that they don’t want to get the blame for it down the road.”

    Now thats rich ! Talk about piss poor excuses.

    Edwards, LOL
    Richarson has about as much of a chance as a bobble head.

    You guys are screwed !

  22. micky2 says:

    I had a debate at the Seminal about 6 months ago.
    These moonbats were all lit up on the prospect of a Hillary/Obama ticket.
    LOL ! 🙁

    The delusional left had clearly left its mark on that idea.
    Can you imagine the media fallout and the implications that woudl come out if we had a white woman as pres and a black man as vicie ?
    Driving Miss Daisy ring a bell ?
    Oh god I can see all the stories now. Jay Leno, Letterman would have a field day.

  23. David M says:

    The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the – Web Reconnaissance for 11/15/2007 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.

  24. Jersey McJones says:

    Micky,

    “One way or the other you/your guys are screwed !”

    My guys? Who? Kucinich? No, I think that if we get a GOPer, then we’ll have gridlock, and I can live with that. I’d rather the government do nothing than do something stupid (you know, like evry single thing they did in the Bush/GOP Hill days).

    “She does not have the qualifications ” AT ALL ” to run this country.”

    She’s got more than Bush had! She’s qualified. That’s not an issue for me.

    I said the Iguana said, “Dems are intentionally trying to lose the White House because the country is such a mess that they don’t want to get the blame for it down the road.”

    To which you said, “Now thats rich ! Talk about piss poor excuses.”

    Excuses for what? What are you talking about? It’s just a theory about the Dem establishment.

    “Edwards, LOL”

    He’s certainly a possibility, and he would be a lot harder to beat than Hillary or Obama.

    “Richarson has about as much of a chance as a bobble head.”

    He’s a long shot, but he would make a great or at least good president in my opion.

    “You guys are screwed !”

    What guys? What are you talking about?

    JMJ

  25. micky2 says:

    JMJ said;
    “I’d rather the government do nothing than do something stupid (you know, like evry single thing they did in the Bush/GOP Hill days). ”

    No one will take you seriously when you make absolute statements like that.
    Every single thing?
    When you say something like that it shows decision making that is blinded by unconditional hate and ignorance.

    JMJ said;
    “She’s got more than Bush had! She’s qualified. That’s not an issue for me.”

    Another brilliant statement. She has never even run a lemonade stand in her life or any substantial form of commerce.
    Would like me to compare the twos qualifications ?
    Bush has a history of success as Gov. of Texas ( a small country in itself) he was re-elected as president and has baseball teams and oil investments that are all successful.
    And for you to say its not an issue for you is an oxymoron since you are making a point pertaining to her anyway.

    Iguana is just covering his ass. When you guys lose that will be his excuse.

    Edwards cant beat himself, hes a fraud and a hypocrite, a sharleton.
    The sun rising in the west is a possibility, but not likely.

    Richards is a long shot because hes weak, where the hell is he anyway ?

    You are suffering from the chronic mind stuttering again, I answerd this question twice now. Because I’m such a nice guy I’ll say it again.

    “Your guys, or “you guys” would be the liberals, Dems, progressive libs, elite or whatever the special is today that you would like to be labled with.
    Since you have no frontrunner that you are pleased with just confirms how really screwed you/your guys are.
    You have always applied some obscure avant garde` title to yourself.
    Who cares ? You want a specialized title ? Good ! find one and stick with it !

    Let me quote you so as to more accuratly portray my point;

    JMJ said;
    “I too was a Reagan supporter at the time, but then found myself going all the way the left over the years. But then, on many issues I break with them as well. Righties call me a socialist, lefties call me a pragmatist. Maybe I’m a Socratist – no that can’t be it. I’m not a big Soctrates fan. Maybe I’m Pracialist. Yeah. I’ll stick with that.”

    Are you sure ?
    When you figure out what you are , we would all like to know.

  26. Jersey McJones says:

    Micky,

    I said, “I’d rather the government do nothing than do something stupid (you know, like evry single thing they did in the Bush/GOP Hill days). ”

    “No one will take you seriously when you make absolute statements like that.
    Every single thing?”

    I have a hard time thinking of anything good they did. I guess there may be one or two things, but I can’t think of them now. Overall, I stand by my statemnet, regardless of your pedantic critique of my

    I said, “She’s got more than Bush had! She’s qualified. That’s not an issue for me.”

    “Another brilliant statement. She has never even run a lemonade stand in her life or any substantial form of commerce.”

    Bush was a failed businessman, governor of a state with the weakest executive in the union, and what feww “accomplishments” he has were either crooked or given to him thanks to nepotism. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn’t too bright. Again, I stand by my statement.

    JMJ

  27. micky2 says:

    Everytime you get critisized for your ridiculous remarks you start throwing “pedantic” in my face.
    Well you know what ? Too bad jersey !
    If you want have a serious debate at least be realistic,. otherwise your lack of reality will be pointed out !

    JMJ said;
    “Bush was a failed businessman, governor of a state with the weakest executive in the union, and what feww “accomplishments” he has were either crooked or given to him thanks to nepotism. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn’t too bright. Again, I stand by my statement.”

    And you’re a genious for thinking she is a better business person that him?
    Bush had some failures in his begginings but all his endeavors today are holding together very well thankyou.
    Besides that, your ass is still in one peice, but out of shear ignorant hatred you wont even give him that much credit.
    You can stand next to your statements all you want. But the facts remain the same.

    You guys are screwed. The Dem candidates in this election are some of the most pathetic choices I’ve seen in my life, and the left knows it.

    JMJ said;
    “A real liberal, like me, would prefer Gravel or Kucinich over the rest.”

    Obviously your preferences are not too popular with the majority. But then again the majority is not too bright right Jersey ? We have more stupid people in this country than smart ones , right Jersey ?

    Gravel ? Who? I think Kinky Freidman has better approval ratings than him.

    Kucinich ? The guy is a three time looser. But then you /your guys think that if they keep doing the same thing over and over it will become truth one day.
    Whos not too bright now ?
    You have to back someone who actually has a chance if you want to be taken seriously Jersey.
    I take Kucinich about as seriously as you do Ted Nugent, its a romantic little idea, but harldy plausable.

    Once again, you can stand by your statements all you want, but eventually the flies are going to get to you.

  28. Jersey McJones says:

    Micky, I never said Hillary was anything other than just as or more qualified to be president as Bush was. She seems striking brighter, anyway.

    Look, you can support Bush all you like, but you can’t deny that his past wasn’t much to speak of. Especially in comparison to most of his predecessors.

    I know that I am considered on the far left of the American polity. That’s okay with me. But I’m also a realist and consider things as they are and when I vote I vote with that in mind. I perenially split my tickets, mostly at the local level, and simply think that the Dems are better than the GOP in general today. I also think that a shift to a Dem Hill and White House would help to offset the damages the single party rule of the past 7 years have done. Usually I would prefer split government at all levels, but that isn’t a steadfast position. I would love a Social Democracy as they have in Europe, but that ain’t happening any time soon – which is one of the reasons I think that paranoid loonies are wasting their energy fighting a virtually nonexistant “socialist” or “leftist” movement in America. Hillary is no socialist. You’d really have to be an idiot to think otherwise. She’s a rather typical, babyboomer, mainstream pol. So are most of those running on both sides of the partisan “divide.” Either way, we are going to have “free trade,” private heath insurance middlemen profiteering, conflicted contracting, etc. Nothing is going to change all that much with any of the top people running today.

    Unlike you, I do not look at politics as some sort of team sport or popularity contest. I do not care about “winners and losers.” I only care about the direction of the nation. I do not need to feel that I am on the winning team or with the popular crowd. I do not particluarly care what stupid notions the masses get stuck in their heads and am glad that we live in a republic as opposed to a mob-rule democracy. In fact, I’m really glad that I am not one of the sheep. With all that in mind, I seperate my personal beliefs from my realistic expectations and perceptions. I take what I can get and do what I can do.

    JMJ

  29. micky2 says:

    JMJ said
    “Hillary is no socialist. You’d really have to be an idiot to think otherwise.”

    Stop using the word idiot just because you dont think something is true or seen your way. It makes you look unimaginative and “not too bright”
    You are by no means as smart as you would have alot of us believe.
    Hillary is a piss poor business person because her only solution to her promises is to tax the crap out of everyone, she said so herself.
    Her staff already told her to stop giving things away. 401s , 5000.00 for each baby , s-chip and on and on.
    All these promoses depend on taxation and leave nothing up to the private sector.

  30. micky2 says:

    (have to do the section thing again)

    http://www.usasurvival.org/ck061903.shtml

    “Mrs. Clinton is also associated with the fiasco dubbed “Hillarycare,” the Clinton Administration Socialized medicine scheme that failed to pass Congress. But Mrs. Clinton, who has been greatly underestimated by her critics, has learned her lesson. The plan went down because she did not have big business on her side. In moving forward with her international Socialist agenda,”

    I believe she has a political ideology that has its roots in Marxism. In her formative years, Marxism was a very important part of her ideology…But when you look at her ideas on health and education, you see more government and less individual control. You see very little regard for families…

    Hillary Clinton promises to combat rising inequality and rising pessimism in the United States workforce. Translated into english this means raising our taxes, repealing the cuts that are already in place. So lets look at a few things about our current economy. Now, just reminder, Bush inherited a economy that was going into a recession (beginning in March of 2001, yes I know this is two months after Bush took office but unless his immediate policies effected the economy in two months we know that it was the Clinton policies that created this recession)…just food for thought when you look at the below data:

  31. micky2 says:

    As far as Bush goes, his record is far more impressive than anyone of your persuasion would lead anyone to believe.
    Expecting you to tell the truth on Bush is like expecting a junkie to show you where he hides his dope
    Since August of 2003 almost 8 million jobs have been created
    This Bush economy has added jobs for 44 straight months
    Unemployment is at 4.5% which is lower then the 5.2% average during the Clinton’s 8 year run
    Real after-tax income has risen approx. 10.4% or more then $3,000 dollars since Bush came into office
    The Bush economy has averaged approx. 3% of growth for the last five years
    The deficit is down dramatically

    Tax revenues are up by 9.3 or 954.4 billion dollars which means we’ve raised more tax revenues in the last two years then in any other two year period in our history.

    Wages for most people have risen faster then inflation

    Inflation remains low
    Home Ownership is higher then ever
    All this after 9/11, after Afghanistan and Iraq.

    But Hillary is going to combat this rough economy? What load of crap ! Whatever happened to Democrats like John F. Kennedy?

    Hillary said;
    ‘I want to take those profits, and I want to put them into a strategic energy fund’…

    There is just one little problem with that. . . that money is not hers to take. That money belongs to the shareholders of the company. No one else. Some of that money might belong to me and some to my parents and some to the old folks up the street. This is a glaring example of Hillary’s socialist agenda. She will take money from YOU if she thinks you don’t deserve it or if she thinks someone else needs it.

    Jersey, there is OVERWHELMING evidence and complaints nationwide that she can only do what she promises on the backs of others.

    JMJ said;
    “Unlike you, I do not look at politics as some sort of team sport or popularity contest. I do not care about “winners and losers.”

    Yes you are unlike me. It goes without saying. I choose to be a winner. But the looser in this case is going be those that are like you. No real candidate is on the top of my list, I dont what gave you that idea, but then again.
    My only purpose is to make sure a Dem does not get into office. And to shred and expose their lies and underlying agendas every chance I get.
    The crappiest conservative is a better bet than the best Dem.

    That was a very elaborate little post . but nothing new really.
    You are still trying to make yourself out to be some kind of specialized elite thinker when nothing could be further from the truth. Your cynisicm and sarcasim and hatred are all too predictable on a chronic level not too far from the mentallity of the most rabid KOSACK.

    I use to be an independent , as you seem to claim to be.
    The only problem with it was that there was just too much opportunity to have to cover up conflicts if interest.
    I know without confusion exactly where I stand. For anyone to say that they have found a candidate with the exact same idealogue as them is either nuts or a liar. Its hard to get supported from one side or the other if you don’t at least lean favorably in one direction.
    Sitting on the fence as you do sucks.

    I’ll quote you again;
    ““I too was a Reagan supporter at the time, but then found myself going all the way the left over the years. But then, on many issues I break with them as well. Righties call me a socialist, lefties call me a pragmatist. Maybe I’m a Socratist – no that can’t be it. I’m not a big Soctrates fan. Maybe I’m Pracialist. Yeah. I’ll stick with that.”

    You’re a fair weather friend Jersey, synonymous with greed and arrogance.
    The only reason I believe that you don’t commit to one thing or another is because in case of failure, you wont have to be held accountable for being a part of that failure.
    Much like Hillary, she wont answer a question with definition or commit to anything for fear of being wrong and looking bad, and God forbid she or you exercise any accountability for a mistake. She has also chosen as you have to give herself some new elite fancy shmancy label of her political ideology ” progressive” something or other. Taking a crap is also progressive.

  32. Jersey McJones says:

    Micky,

    No. I really do think that the whole “Shrillary” movemnet is composed of idiots. She’s not a socialist and does not want to “tax the crap out of everyone.” That is just stupid and ridiculous demagogy.

    I am not going to debate this stupidity further with you. It is copmic-book level childishness.

    JMJ

  33. micky2 says:

    Oh , here we go with the “I’m above this ” nonsense.
    Real opinions from a viable majority is “stupidity”
    Anyone who doesnt believe that she thinks shes Robinhood is not paying attention.
    It was all over evry media source a few weeks ago when she flat out accused ny every decent news program, including NBC,CBS and CNN that the only way she could pay for all these gifts was by reaching into “your” wallet.

    Do some research Jersey ! She has always been a socialist to the Max.
    But a true socialist wouldnt call it that, thats all ! They call it democracy, it sounds better.
    All her propositions and ideas involve nothing but more and big govrnment.

    You’re getting your butt hammerd on this one because the facts I presented you with are overwhelming. And so you chicken out by acting as if its all stupid and beyond you.
    Being condecending with no facts just makes your case look laughable.

    The bottom line is this.
    The Dems are screwed, Hillary is their only real hope and they know it. And with that they are scared. None of the other Dems would stand a chance in hell up against Giuliani, Romney , Huckabee or even Thompson.The Republicans have some pretty formidable candidates where the Dems only have Hillary.
    The Dems are screwed.

    How does it feel to be so smart that no one can understand you ?
    At least give an explanation when you discount others as “childish, stupid, idiots.
    It doesnt sell anything when you just throw out these things with not being able to elaborate on it.
    You really need to stop thinking people are so much dumber than you.

  34. charly martel says:

    Micky2,

    I hope you’re right about the fear factor. Hillary is positiively a socialist (at least) and thinks she will be anointed as our 1st woman president. The prospect scares me to death. Her husband and Al Gore sold much of our defense capabilities to the Chinese when they were in office. Now the Chnese are pouring money into her campaign. Why do you think that is?
    You are correct about the dems having no one else with enough name recognition to challenge her. What I fear is that she has managed to snow enough libs to elect her.

    If she wins, Taiwan, So. Korea, the Phillipines and Japan will go the way of Tibet. Hamas and the Clintons will be able to extort Isreal down to a few acres in the Negev. (Only 1 or 2 Scuds needed to wipe the remnant out.) And remember that joke about the simplified tax form? (line 1: What is your income? line 2: Send it to us.)

    That’s why I will hold my nose and vote for any republican.

    Jersey,

    WAKE UP! Pull your head out of the sand. Nothing the dems have been prattling about will amount to anything if the Chinese acquire a base on the moon. They can already track our carriers anywhere with the technology CLINTON and Gore sold them – for campaign money.

  35. micky2 says:

    Yea Charly,
    Its scary when a pre-marxist socialist starts warming up to the biggest communist country on earth. Not to be confused with Gerbil warming.
    http://www.bonilogue.com/2007/04/23/gerbil-warming/

    And yes, the left is scared. Especially after that implosion last night. They all got a good look at what their horses look like under just a little pressure. You could almost hear all the butt holes twitching and sqeeking with fear as they stumbled over and fought with each other.
    Sesame street had its act together better than these guys.

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