YRs in Indianapolis–Ari Fleischer

At the 2009 Biennial Young Republican Convention in Indianapolis, I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer. After he left the White House, he wrote the book “Taking Heat.”

Before he spoke, a video of him sparring with Chris Matthews had the crowd ready for combat.

I have met him before, and always enjoy his remarks. This evening was no exception. I normally hear him speak to the Republican Jewish Coalition, where his speech deals with Israel, Iran, and other pressing concerns. Yet his speech to the YR group offered different but equally enjoyable subject matter.

With that, I present the wit and wisdom of Ari Fleischer.

“I spent many days aurrounded by the White House Press Corps. So believe me when I say it is a pleasure to be with you.”

“I am surprised anyone would have Chris Matthews as an appetizer. I enjoyed feasting on him.”

“When times are tough, the people we count on most need to have spines of steel. Mike Pence always knows where his heart is.”

(He then pointed out that it was his wife Beck’s birthday. The room sang to her.)

“My parents are horrified I became a Republican. My mom said ‘I hope it’s a faze. He’ll grow out of it.’ My dad said, ‘Better a Republican than a drug dealer, but not by much.'”

“No mom, It’s not a faze. I enjoy being a Republican.”

“I entered college a liberal Democrat. Jimmy Carter turned me into a conservative Democrat. Ronald Reagan made me a Republican.”

“When I got to Austin, President Bush asked about my name. He asked ‘Ari? Is that R.E.?’ Since we were in Texas, I soon became ‘Ari-Bob.'”

“Until the 2000 recount was decided, I averted my gaze whenever I passed thw White House. I could not even look at that building. So many decisions have been made there. Only when Governor Bush called me after it was decided and he was President, when I went to work there, did I allow myself to look at the building.”

“Being Press Secretary was the most difficult and wonderful job for a man I still deeply believe in. When everything is said, President George W. Bush kept us safe.”

“I have the only original notes of every action taken by President Bush on 9/11.”

“Individual responsibility is the core of what lets us rise above everyone else.”

“No government is wise enough to rearrange the United States capitalist system into a wealth redistribution system run by government that is done well.”

“If you like General Motors, you’ll love Democrats on health care, breaking the engines of growth.”

“With Barack Obama, every child will give $36,000 dollars to Uncle Sam. That is their debt share.”

“If Obama’s plans pass, the debt will become 82% of GDP. If you make $50,000 per year and owe $41,000 on your Visa card, you can’t pay it off.”

“The first stimulus package didn’t work right, so they want to do it again with your money.”

“The Democrats allocated 18 million dollars of the Stimulus bill to redesign the recovery.gov website. I bet some people in this room could do that for a lot less.”

“Those making more than $67,000 per year earn 55% of Ameruican income, but pay 85% of the income taxes. 40% of American currently pay zero income taxes. Obama wants 49% of Americans to pay zero income taxes.”

“I am a Republican because our ideas do the most to pick people up and instill the values of duty, honor, and country.”

“I am a Republican because I believe the government should be a safety net, not a permanent trap.”

“I am a Republican because I believe faith, family, and country are our values.”

“I am a Republican because I believe in peace through strength.”

“Many on the other side believe that if only the United STates acted differently, the terrorists would take up knitting.”

“Don’t let Democrats spend you into bankruptcy or mortgage your future.”

“Become a grassroots power that brings your party back into power.”

I spoke to Ari afterwards, and he remembered me from the RJC events. I asked him as always how the President was doing. Unlike last time, this time he said he had not seen him in a bit, and would not be seeing him soon. However, he did say that he was doing well the last time he saw him.

I asked Ari the best way to get President Bush a copy of my book, and he told me the best way to do it. I just wanted him to know how much I appreciate the President, and am glad to hear that he still feels the same way.

As for the Young Republicans, it was a thrill to have Ari Fleischer address the crowd. He is a great speaker. After all, when you have to find the right words after the most devastating attack on the American Mainland, you had beter be.

Life and America is about facing and overcoming tough challenges. Ari Fleischer has met the toughest challenge in our lifetimes with rhetorical and literal flourish.

eric

16 Responses to “YRs in Indianapolis–Ari Fleischer”

  1. I wonder which Chris Matthews interview you guys watched. I remember one where it got really hot. Matthews caught Fleischer saying that Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11. Mathews let him have it for that lie. Fleischer was all upset that Mathews pointed out the absolute facts that 9/11 happened on GWBs watch, and that GWB and the GOP left us with the messes we have today. Fleischer had the audacity to suggest that somehow it was all alright because GWB rid the world of Saddam, as if that compensates for the disaster area of state they left us.

    Matthews ate Fleischer alive every time they talked. The only thing Fleischer “feasted on” was his own foot. You can say what you will about Matthews, but he knows his stuff, he knows what he’s talking about, he’s well-versed on the issues, well-read, and has an amazing memory. Guys like Fleischer never fair well on Matthews show. Matthews has little tolerance for the ignorant, and zero tolerance for professional liars like Ari Fleischer. Fleischer is no fool. He knows the truth. He just refuses to speak it.

    JMJ

  2. Dav Lev says:

    There are too few Aris unfortunately among my people, who vote Democratic 85% of the time.

    I have heard snti-Semites (racially based haters), accuse Jews of
    having 60% of the US money. When I ask how this was determined,
    they just laugh at me.

    I thought it was 90%. I mean we all know that the “Jews” own the media, banks, press, Hollywood, Sony, GE, sports teams, AND control the welfare unions.

    Oh, I forgot Wall Street. Im thinking about Bernie.

    Even Dubai is owned by Jews, isn’t it?

    Ari is one of the bright spots..among our people. I am proud of him,
    unlike the most liberal Senator of my state, and several Congressmen
    who are now leading the push towards socialized medicine ( the poor
    have more children, while the rich pay for them).

    Hey guys, over 11m people who are not insured are “illegals”. Get it
    illegals!

    I know I’ve said this before but it needs repeating.

    Ari had a difficult job admittedly. He had to support his boss, while
    not being part of the policy plannin. Like Wolfowitz, perhaps he should
    have quit sooner..but isn’t that abandoning your ideals. Speaking of
    ideals, where was Colin Powell during this time? Why didn’t he
    express himself more strongly? Maybe he also felt loyalty to his
    boss?

    A study was done, read War and Decision by Douglas Feith, to get
    insight into why we went to war to begin with. The critics of the neo-cons will never tell the truth. We went to war to stop Saddam Hussein and bring down his regime..and, as a p.s. to bring some semblence of democracy
    to this dysfunctional country.

    We did not go to war to get rid of WMD..(there weren’t any after the
    invasion, hmmmmm I wonder why?), We decided that Saddam had to
    go, after violating 16 UNSC resolutions after the Gulf War cease fire.

    We defeated Saddam in less than 21 days…but were not fully aware
    of the aftermath..the insurgency, violence, looting, etc., which had been
    planned previously. We also were naive about internal Iraqi tensions
    and the insurgents power to disrupt our goals.

    Sooooo, 6 years later, we are still in Iraq..and moving towards Obama’s war in Afghanistan. (Which, unlike Iraq, has a viable government that is
    impotent).

    Hey folks, you want to end our involvement, make opium legal.

    Ari, you spent years promoting Bush’s policies..now it’s time
    to push for a new President in 3. 5 years…and stop the slide
    towards a United States of Socialism (with our children’s money,
    pain and effort).

    To my fellow Americans..you want to save GM and Ford..buy their
    cars guys.

  3. Oh please. We went to war in Iraq, just like the “war on terror,” to make money for the MIC, to spread fear and want of authoritarianism, tp help further kill our republic and replace it with an entrenched oligarchy. It’s the usual neo-con plan.

    JMJ

  4. Micky 2 says:

    Jersey, do you ever have a different argument concerning 911, Iraq and Bush that I havent kicked the crap out of from here to China already ?

    Watch me shred this little didy here…
    ” Fleischer was all upset that Mathews pointed out the absolute facts that 9/11 happened on GWBs watch, and that GWB and the GOP left us with the messes we have today. ”

    It works both ways, but you’ll never know because you’re not honest and as you’re hell bent on sticking to the same argument all the time regardless of the facts, thats what keeps you dishonest.

    Here, check it out. I found the transcript between Matthews and Fleischer.
    Matthews was his ole rude “BUTT IN” entrapment type journalist he always was.

    EXAMPLE FROM THE INTERVIEW:
    FLEISCHER: Chris, do you ever not interrupt your guests, or is that all you`d like to do?

    (Readers are advised that there was laughter in the studio when Fleischer said this.)

    ———————————————————————————–
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    MATTHEWS: Well, we had the national debt grow from $5.7 when you guys came in to $10.9 when you left. And many Republicans who now speak very loudly on this subject say the reason is that that man we`re looking at right now, your boss for those years, President George W. Bush, never vetoed a single spending bill. He opened the door, the flood gates, to huge spending.

    Interesting. So, Matthews objected to “huge spending” then, but doesn’t mind it now?
    Why didnt you mention thatm huh ? Our debt is fricken ten times in 6 months what it was under Bush in 8 years !!!!
    ————————————————————————————
    MATTHEWS: Are you proud of the economic record of George W. Bush?

    FLEISCHER: You know, I think he came in with a recession, he left with a recession…

    What about Bill Clinton? After all, he inherited an economy that was growing, and left with a stock market plummeting, and a recession beginning. But I digress: RIGHT ?
    DIDNT MENTION THAT PART OF THE INTERVIEW … DID YOU ???

    ————————————————————————————

    Astounding dishonesty here, for even Matthews is aware that Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States during Bill Clinton’s watch, and was preparing 9/11 for years. I guess Matthews forgot all the attacks on American interests during the ’90s.
    ————————————————————————————
    Why is it wrong to brag about the fact that we haven’t been attacked since 9/11? Isn’t the primary function of a president to defend the nation? We’re now approaching eight years since that awful day. Shouldn’t we be proud of that?

    FLEISCHER: That`s what people are going to remember about President Bush`s administration.

    MATTHEWS: Well, they don`t remember that because his popularity went down to about one of the lowest in American history. He`s down near the bottom of American presidents because people believe that he didn`t do a good job as president. Let`s go back to your standard. I`m not saying…

    (CROSSTALK)

    FLEISCHER: … people who look at substance. You`re in the former category.

    MATTHEWS: Ari — Ari, you can`t set up a standard and then not live by it. If the standard is, We didn`t get hit…

    FLEISCHER: Who is talking?

    MATTHEWS: What?

    FLEISCHER: Who`s talking?

    MATTHEWS: If you set up a standard…

    FLEISCHER: Set up a standard and not live by it, Chris Matthews?

    MATTHEWS: Yes.

    FLEISCHER: You know, Chris, I don`t recall you saying that James Carville, Paul Begala, those people, shouldn`t be on the air defending their boss, but here you are questioning why people like me would be out there saying things about my boss.

    MATTHEWS: Well, because…

    FLEISCHER: It`s not a slam-dunk, Chris. There are two sides to every issue.

    MATTHEWS: OK. Good. Fair enough. Fair enough.

    FLEISCHER: And I get to present that side.
    ———————————————————————
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/03/11/chris-matthews-grills-ari-fleischer-enemy-state

    Heres the entire interview. I want everyone to see that jersey id full of it !!!!!!!!!!!
    Nowwere, I mean NOWHERE !!! doees Fliescher say that Saddam attacked us on 911 as jersey so dhonestly asserted.
    From reading it, I’d say it was Ari who shoved Matthews foot in his mouth.

    I’ll bet it stopped the “tingling”
    really, you call him a journalist whos so biased he claims that one of his legs tingles when the POTUS speaks ?
    Sorry man, hadda put you back on track and remind everyone why you’re not worthy of honest serious debate

  5. “Interesting. So, Matthews objected to “huge spending” then, but doesn’t mind it now?”

    Micky, he was talking to Ari Fleischer, not Robert Gibbs. Why would he ask Fleischer about something that has nothing to do with him? besides, During the Bush years the bebt was doubled! DOUBLED! Obama isn’t going to come anywhere near that record no matter how much he spends. And Obama is spending to recover from the mess the GWB years left us. He’s cleaning up GWBs mess. GWB created the mess! And what did we get for it? Medicare Part D. That’s it. And even then he rigged it so that it would cost the taxpayers an extra fortune – a preemptive strike, as he knew the eldery we’re going to demand Part D in the coming years as the Baby Boomers retired, and his masters at Big Pharma wanted to secure their ridiculous profits from the taxpayers. Nothing else of any value, unless you consider the Iraq war worth it, and most people do not.

    “What about Bill Clinton? After all, he inherited an economy that was growing, and left with a stock market plummeting, and a recession beginning. But I digress: RIGHT ?”

    You’re kidding, “RIGHT ?” You must not have been paying close attention to the news back in 1992. Bill Clinton inherited a massive recession. True, Clinton behaved like a neocon in a lot of ways when it came to the economy, but he didn’t have much choice. The GOP controlled the congress for most of his terms. He still should have more vigorously regulated the banking and investment sectors. But then, the GOP would have no regulation at all if they it it their way. The stock market did take a tumble, yes, but it was from massive personal investment in the IT sector, something that simply never had much value, and so the country didn’t suffer much from it. What Clinton neglected that did cause a lot of turmoil was the energy sector, with Bush’s and Cheney’s buddies over at Enron pulling their shams and shenanegans. Here too, Clinton behaved exactly as the cons wanted, and sure enough, we paid a high price for that.

    Again though, what any of this has to do with ARI FLEISCHER is beyond me.

    Now, you seem to not know which interview I was referring. Here’s the interview: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/ari-fleischer-battles-chr_n_174082.html

    And here’s a part I mentioned:

    Fleischer: “After September 11th having been hit once how could we take a chance that Saddam might strike again? And that’s the threat that has been removed and I think we are all safer with that threat removed.”

    Matthews: “I’m proud that we no longer have an administration that uses that kind argument…and the American people are too.”

    Fleischer: “Well, Chris, we all know where you stand.

    Matthews: “And you as well sir.”

    JMJ

  6. Micky 2 says:

    Jersey. Once again, I’m going to make this a rare occasion only to point what a disingenuous debater you are and how its people like you and your misrepresentations that are actually a much larger problem that consistently goes unnoticed and approached.
    People like you should not be given credibility or taken seriously if true honest Americans are actually looking for solutions.

    “Micky, he was talking to Ari Fleischer, not Robert Gibbs. Why would he ask Fleischer about something that has nothing to do with him? ”

    Yes, and anyone who’d care to read the transcript can see that Matthews was telling Ari its all Bushs fault for the economy as it is, its a legit point on my part that you and Matthews have no objection to what Obama did as far as spending and debt goes but cry your a$$es off over what Bush did which is a pittance in comparison to the TRILLIONS Obama has dropped in only a few moths.
    The numbers are so mind bogglingly huge and different only a complete moron would try to dispute it.
    Its like comparing a penny to the fed reserve.

    “Obama isn’t going to come anywhere near that record no matter how much he spends. And Obama is spending to recover from the mess the GWB years left us. He’s cleaning up GWBs mess. GWB created the mess! And what did we get for it?”

    Spending more than twice as much to fix a problem not half as big ?
    Please, get past the “Obama math” and grow up
    WTF are you talking about “anywhere near “? Hes already passed it by a few trillion in record time.
    Your messiah has spent more in the last 6 months than all previous administrations combined !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And mot of that doesn’t even go to repair any of the lagging institutions that needed it.
    WTF did it do for AIG ? (it all went to Europe) What did it do for unemployment ? Brought up to almost 10%, more than its ever been in history after Obama said that the stimulus by about now would have it down around 6%

    GWB created this mess ?
    More BS.
    Did you forget about the looser congress that was in place for the last 2 years of Bushs term ? Or the housing bubble that both McCain and Bush went to the hill to warn everyone about to say that if congress doesnt do something about the regulations in place it will soon pop ?
    Does the 1.5 trillion going into his health care plan do anything to fix this “supposed” mess that Bush left ?
    Not only has Obama”NOT” done away with the debt we had under Bush he has in fact “QUADRUPLED” it with no real cure in sight for the next 2 1/2 years as he says

    WISE UP !!!!

    JMJ;
    “Again though, what any of this has to do with ARI FLEISCHER is beyond me.”

    Because you ranted and ranted about how Matthews;

    JMJ;
    “The only thing Fleischer “feasted on” was his own foot. You can say what you will about Matthews”

    JMJ;
    Guys like Fleischer never fair well on Matthews show. ”

    By the way, it is the same interview that you and I are talking about, I heard it and read it completely and even heard the studio crew laughing at Matthews when Ari asked him if all he did was interrupt his guests.
    Matthews was nothing but an argumentative pedantic pointless punk who not once acknowledged the facts that Ari was mentioning.
    Hatchet job.

    JMJ;
    “Matthews has little tolerance for the ignorant”

    Yet in the same interview Matthews said that taking out Saddam took away the only answer to Iran.
    Stupid and ignorant, thats what that statement was.
    What about Israel ? What about us ?
    Does Matthews really think that Saddam was the only hope left that could contain or manage the Iranian threat ?
    What an absolute IDIOT !!!
    Actually, I don’t think he believe that. He was just making another pathetically weak argument that was sooooo stupid Ari wouldn’t dignify it with an answer.

    The link you supplied, the video at Huffy post, the transcript I supplied are from the same interview.
    You last quote from the interview you’re talking about was supplied in my previous comment at the link I provided as well OKAY ?????
    Go to my link, read the transcript there before you talk out your rump again !
    And by the way.

    JMJ;
    “Matthews caught Fleischer saying that Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11.

    Ari never said that Saddam attacked us on 911 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    This is where you LIE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What he said was that after 911 we couldnt take the chance that Saddam would attack again
    WOULD YOU LIKE THE LIST OF ALL THE ATTACKS SADDAM PERFORMED ON THE UNITED STATES ???????
    Has Saddam not attacked Americans and our interests before ???
    PLEASE ! Show me where Ari said Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11.

    By the way. Any honest man would realize that if thats what Ari was saying then why didnt Matthews go off on him like roman candle ?
    Because even Matthews being such the bulldog you make him out to be knew what Ari was saying. Otherwise I’m sure that Matthews would of said something to the effect of ” Wait, you mean to tell me that you’re trying to tell everyone that it was Saddam who attacked us on 911″?

    But he didnt, care to guess why ?
    I’ll tell you if you’d like me to.
    ————-
    You’re busted lying again buddy.

    I swear, its guys like you everywhere that are screwing things up for everyone with your BS lies and misinformation.
    You do want folks going to the pools with the facts right ?
    I mean yeah, my opinion is that Obama sucks and your opinion is that the conservative answer sucks. Thats fine. Make the case as to why you’re of that opinion but do it with truth otherwise were just going to keep heading down this road until the whole damn country implodes because there’s so much intellectual anarchy going on no ones going to give a sh*t anymore because the mess is going to be so massive everyone’s just going to throw their hands up in the air and say “F*ck it !!!” because we cant get a true story no matter how hard we try.

    Like this right here coming from Matthews;
    Matthews: “I’m proud that we no longer have an administration that uses that kind argument…and the American people are too.”

    He does not speak for the entire country ! Does he ?
    Matthews is a punk, he’s not the fair or tough journalist you say he is.
    He’s as biased and as predictable as Hannity is yet he tries to pretend that he only after the truth. At least Hannity makes it no secret that hes a right wing shill. Matthews is an idiot if he thinks the public buys his BS that he some kind of concerned journalist only in search of truth and answers.
    Kind of like the crap you spew that you actually think people are dumb enough to swallow. And then when we point out how stupid and disingenuous your crap is and you get mad and say were idiots because we don’t buy into idiocy or lies…

    go figure
    ———————

    Obamas on his way out.
    His numbers are dropping. Most polls show the public is becoming more and more uncomfortable with his crap.
    He’s blown it everywhere and really has nothing at this point after almost 6 months to brag about.
    Cant say how he’s going to pay for anything.
    Foreign policy is a freaking nightmare,
    For the first time since 911, on Obamas watch, an American was killed by terrorists on our soil.
    He gives 900 million to Hamas, lets Iran get away with murder, and tells Israel they should bend over in the face of Hizzbolla, Iran and Hamas, lets Kim point missiles at my state.
    Has put over 30 guys into positions of power that do not have to answer to anyone.
    Ignored the constitution by dictating to private enterprise how much they may pay to whom and when.
    Broken almost every campaign promise he ever made, yet not to the favor of anyone but to cover up his idiocy.
    Well, to be honest I do like the fact that he decided to keep almost all of GWBs security policies in place even after he said he’d toss them.

    Yeah, I guess when you know what works to keep your own a$$ from being blown away its best to stuff that delusional pride of yours and admit what works by keeping it.

  7. Micky, I don’t see where I’m being disingenuous at all. Ari Fleischer, on the other hand… Well, let’s just say he says anything to make the Bush years look good. The facts of the matter are that the Bush years did leave us with a doubled debt adding 5.7 trillion dollars to it, two unended and expensive wars, a stock market meltdown, a mortgage meltdown, a banking meltdown with a bailout to the tune of over 900 billion dollars, massive unemployment after the worst job growth since the Depression, and a massive recession. You can try to put a happy face on that all you like, and all Ari likes, but, if you ask me, THAT is being disingenuous.

    As for Obama, it’s still very early on yet and he has inherited a disaster by any reasonable relative standard in history. It will take years to get us out of this. I can only hope that he’s successful and that the American people are patient enough to give him a chance. His popularity is down, yes, but down to still a very high number. That is normal, though. Presidential honeymoons only last so long with the public. His number will eventually settle a little lower for the long haul, but if some of his plans work out, they could settle higher in the end. I get the distinct feeling, come next year, we’ll see some of his plans come to fruition and things will get better for the majority of Americans whose lives are now far worse off because of the Bush years. There’s a good reason for this and the GOP pols and pundits know it well, but, like Ari, would never be man enough to admit it: the recover spending will work. Unfortunately, Obama and the Dems are not the Second Coming of Christ and will, as all pols do, put their political careers ahead of the immediate needs of the American people. Obama knows he can’t get another “stimulus.” It just won’t fly. But he also knows the stimulus will create jobs and spending. So, he’s waiting until next year – a mid-term election year – to get most of the money out. This is why so many pundits have been complaining about the money not getting out there fast enough. Come next year, when that money gets out there, suddenly there will be jobs available for teachers, construction workers, cops, state and local employees, and all the peripheral jobs that go with those. Mark my words. This time next year I’ll remind you of them.

    JMJ

  8. Micky 2 says:

    “Micky, I don’t see where I’m being disingenuous at all. ”

    “Matthews caught Fleischer saying that Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11. Mathews let him have it for that lie.”

    Right there bub.

    I want you to show me in the interview with Matthews where Ari said that.
    And(even though he didnt) if he did where did Matthews “let him have it” for this “supposed” lie ?
    ————————————————————————————–

    ” You can try to put a happy face on that all you like, and all Ari likes, but, if you ask me, THAT is being disingenuous.”

    You see, the problem is that I didnt “put a happy face” on anything.
    As a matter of fact I acknowledged the Bush debt and said that Obama had in fact “quadrupled it”
    Sooooooooooooo, you saying I was disengenuous is just another fabricated turd you made out of whole cloth and pulled out your butt just like the statement you claimed Ari made about Saddam.

    “As for Obama, it’s still very early on yet and he has inherited a disaster by any reasonable relative standard in history. ”

    Nah, its too late for that already, you cant kep blaming Bush anymore. What we have on our hands is Obamas making. Things have gotten worse, with his remedies, not better, he owns it now. Things are twice as bad as they were when Bush left. Obama at least owns the last half and anything trailing from the daqy he went into office.
    If you guys are going to blame Bush for us being attacked on his watch then its only fair that any other kind of attack we suffer (finacial or whatever) be placed on Obama. Everything thats happening on his watch is his fault.

    YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS !!!

    Everything, I mean EVERYTHING is going south. His performance ratings, his support from both sides, national security problems that Bush did not create at all.
    Unfortunately we cant wait til “NEXT YEAR” The messiah said that these things would be “shovel ready” and instead the only thing being shoveld is a bunch of cash going to unions and his friends. The people arent seeing a dime of any of the money and its not even giving opportunity to make a dime.
    The recover spending will work ?
    Well f*ck yeah man for a cool ten trillion something had better happen !!!!Unfortunately the pay off is not going to be anywhere near the amount of money that could be profited from such an investment.

    Tell me Jersey.
    When whatever progress is made whos going to pay for it and how ?
    HUH ?
    You guys have absolutely no right whatsoever to ever say that our kids are going to be paying Bushs debt.

    ” So, he’s waiting until next year – a mid-term election year – to get most of the money out.”

    Yeah right, its called “buying votes”
    WHAT ??? You actually think anyone is so stupid they cant see that coming ???
    he wants the directed spending fresh in everyones mind when they hit the polls.
    This whole fricken thing is just a set up. Its what the dems have been doing to minorities for the last 50 years and now they’re going to pull it on the whole country. If we want to keep our jobs, homes, medical, money, rights were going to have to vote dem or everyones going to have to go thru the changes that the right will make. By that time after going thru the most phenomenal change this coutry has ever seen the people are going be so damn tired of it all theres no way they’re going to want to or be able to rerurn to the good ole capitalistic system thats worked for the last 200 years
    Everytime you guys start telling us not to worry you contradict yourselves by the actions you still propell that instigate and monger more fear so the admin can continue forward with the b*stardization of our country and our rights.

    Everythings cool but we might need another stimulus.
    The stimulus was supposed to fix things but now weve decided that its really the health care syatem thats screwing up the economy. Everythings cool but we need to go forward with absurd green initiatives, cap and trade because the energy situation is whats really screwing up the economy.
    When the hell are you guys going to knock off all this bull and realize that giving us our own money and spreading it among the markets ourselves has always been the best way to fix our economic pitflls ? HUH ? But no, ytou’re gonna try everything under the sun and disguise it as some kind of inspirational motive to help everyone when really its all a trap to get us so freaking dependent on government that we’ll have no choice but to vote dem the next election if we want to keep our jobs, cars, homes, health insurance and money.

    6 months of bullsh*t, almost 10% unemployment, quadrupled the debt with more to come, a projected deficit that will take decades to tame, no way to pay it back, lied and broke almost every single campaign pledge and promise, all our enemies are now voicing threats at us like nothing weve ever heard while aiming missles at us and testing them in our direction, private enterprise is being dictated to by over thirty guys who answer to no one who they can pay how much where and when.
    Government is supposed to be smaller and yet the only section in the country that has a rise in employment is the government.

    “Come next year, when that money gets out there, suddenly there will be jobs available for teachers, construction workers, cops, state and local employees”
    If your messiah had just given the money to the people to start with we wouldnt be saying “wait til next year” or as Obama said”in about 2 1/2 years”

    Man, I swear, you guys couldnt of screwed things up any better if you were a bunch of mongoloids holding your heads in your hands.

    Mark my words, next year everyone going to want Obamas head on a stick.

  9. To your first point, Micky, I already covered it, but perhaps you need to read it again:

    Fleischer: “After September 11th having been hit once how could we take a chance that Saddam might strike again? And that’s the threat that has been removed and I think we are all safer with that threat removed.”

    Matthews: “I’m proud that we no longer have an administration that uses that kind argument…and the American people are too.”

    Fleischer: “Well, Chris, we all know where you stand.

    Matthews: “And you as well sir.”

    That’s that. Can’t imagine what you missed there, though…

    “As a matter of fact I acknowledged the Bush debt and said that Obama had in fact “quadrupled it””

    That’s insane! No, he has not! What kind of lunatic thing is that to say? He’s been president for 6 months! Yes, if he were to pass stimuli and bailouts every year for the rest of two terms of presidency and the wars go on the whole time and the recession just never ends, maybe, but that ain’t gonna happen and anyone who thinks it will is insane. Where the heck did you get that from??? Really, I can’t even imagine! Where did you get that from???

    JMJ

  10. Micky 2 says:

    Looking at my numbers (coming from a government site – going through the Treasury department) as of 9/30/08, our debt was $10,024,724,896,912.49. As of 6/30/09, our national debt is $11,545,275,346,431.39… or roughly $1.5T higher in 6 months. Using the calculator, since Obama’s tenure, we have roughly added $1T in debt.
    Soooooooooooooooo, thats only in 6 months.
    I’ll admit my numbers were off but still Obama manged to surpass Bush by 1.5 trillion in only 6 months but at this rate it will be quadrupled in 18 more months.
    When you put it all together, cap and trade, health care, stimulus… its easy to get there.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obamas-economic-kickstart-will-quadruple-us-debt-1633418.html

    “Mr Obama wants to invest $150bn over the next decade. This would be partly financed by a greenhouse gas emissions trading system, or “carbon tax”, to help tackle global warming.

    The President is also proposing a 10-year, $634bn reserve for healthcare reform,”

    “Though the Pentagon’s overall budget is slated to rise by 4 per cent in 2009, to $663bn”

    “The White House says such a colossal deficit is unavoidable if the decline in the economy is to be halted this year, paving the way for recovery from 2010. The US has lost 3.6 million jobs in the past 13 months alone. The economy shrunk by 3.8 per cent in the final quarter of 2009, the biggest such decline in almost 30 years, and – if anything – the news is getting direr by the day.”

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    Just how much government debt does a president have to endorse before he’s labeled “irresponsible”? Well, apparently much more than the massive amounts envisioned by President Obama. The final version of his 2010 budget, released last week, is a case study in political expediency and economic gambling.

    Let’s see. From 2010 to 2019, Obama projects annual deficits totaling $7.1 trillion; that’s atop the $1.8 trillion deficit for 2009. By 2019, the ratio of publicly held federal debt to gross domestic product (GDP, or the economy) would reach 70 percent, up from 41 percent in 2008. That would be the highest since 1950 (80 percent). The Congressional Budget Office, using less optimistic economic forecasts, raises these estimates. The 2010-19 deficits would total $9.3 trillion; the debt-to-GDP ratio in 2019 would be 82 percent.

    But wait: Even these totals may be understated. By various estimates, Obama’s health plan might cost $1.2 trillion over a decade; Obama has budgeted only $635 billion. Next, the huge deficits occur despite a pronounced squeeze of defense spending. From 2008 to 2019, total federal spending would rise 75 percent, but defense spending would increase only 17 percent. Unless foreign threats recede, military spending and deficits might both grow.

    Except from crabby Republicans, these astonishing numbers have received little attention — a tribute to Obama’s Zen-like capacity to discourage serious criticism. Everyone’s fixated on the present economic crisis, which explains and justifies big deficits (lost revenue, anti-recession spending) for a few years. Hardly anyone notes that huge deficits continue indefinitely.

    One reason Obama is so popular is that he has promised almost everyone lower taxes and higher spending. Beyond the undeserving who make more than $250,000, 95 percent of “working families” receive a tax cut. Obama would double federal spending for basic research in “key agencies.” He wants to build high-speed-rail networks that would require continuous subsidy. Obama can do all this and more by borrowing.

    Consider the extra debt as a proxy for political evasion. The president doesn’t want to confront Americans with choices between lower spending and higher taxes — or, given the existing deficits, perhaps both less spending and more taxes. Except for talk, Obama hasn’t done anything to reduce the expense of retiring baby boomers. He claims to be containing overall health costs, but he’s actually proposing more government spending (see above).

    Closing future deficits with either tax increases or spending cuts would require gigantic changes. Discounting the recession’s effect on the deficit, Marc Goldwein of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget puts the underlying “structural deficit” — the basic gap between the government’s spending commitments and its tax base — at 3 to 4 percent of GDP. In today’s dollars, that’s roughly $400 billion to $600 billion.

    It’s true that since 1961 the federal budget has run deficits in all but five years. But the resulting government debt has consistently remained below 50 percent of GDP; that’s the equivalent of a household with $100,000 of income having a $50,000 debt. (Note: Deficits are the annual gap between government’s spending and its tax revenue. The debt is the total borrowing caused by past deficits.) Adverse economic effects, if any, were modest. But Obama’s massive, future deficits would break this pattern and become more threatening.

    At best, the rising cost of the debt would intensify pressures to increase taxes, cut spending — or create bigger, unsustainable deficits. By the CBO’s estimates, interest on the debt as a share of federal spending will double between 2008 and 2019, to 16 percent. Huge budget deficits could also weaken economic growth by “crowding out” private investment.

    At worst, the burgeoning debt could trigger a future financial crisis. The danger is that “we won’t be able to sell [Treasury debt] at reasonable interest rates,” says economist Rudy Penner, head of the CBO from 1983 to 1987. In today’s anxious climate, this hasn’t happened. American and foreign investors have favored “safe” U.S. Treasurys. But a glut of bonds, fears of inflation — or something else — might one day shatter confidence. Bond prices might fall sharply; interest rates would rise. The consequences could be worldwide because foreigners own half of U.S. Treasury debt.

    The Obama budgets flirt with deferred distress, though we can’t know what form it might take or when it might occur. Present gain comes with the risk of future pain. As the present economic crisis shows, imprudent policies ultimately backfire, even if the reversal’s timing and nature are unpredictable.

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    “To your first point, Micky, I already covered it, but perhaps you need to read it again”

    Jersey, perhaps you need to re-study the english language.

    Where did Ari say that Saddam attacked us on 911, as you said;

    “Matthews caught Fleischer saying that Saddam Hussein attacked us on 9/11. Mathews let him have it for that lie”

    “After September 11th having been hit once how could we take a chance that Saddam might strike again? ”

    He did not say that Saddam struck on 911.
    He asked if we could take the chance that Saddam might strike again “AFTER 911 !!!

    ARI
    “And that’s the threat that has been removed and I think we are all safer with that threat removed.”

    Yes we are but no where did he say that Saddam attacked us on 911

    Matthews:
    “I’m proud that we no longer have an administration that uses that kind argument…and the American people are too.”

    The argument Jersey was that taking out Saddam made us safer.
    NOT THAT HE ATTACKED US ON 911 !!!
    STOP LYING !!
    ITS ALL RIGHT THERE ON THE TRANSCRIPT!!!!

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    FLEISCHER: Chris, I repeatedly said from the podium — and you can find the tape and roll it for your audience — that Saddam does not have nuclear. We said he would try to obtain nuclear, and that`s what we believed.

    MATTHEWS: Right.

    FLEISCHER: We do know that he was trying to obtain biological and chemical. As for your argument about Ahmadinejad, you know, there are some people who believe in the legitimacy of dictator versus dictator and that`s how you have a balance of power around the world.

    MATTHEWS: Right.

    FLEISCHER: I can`t dispute that that is one strain of foreign policy. But when I look at it on balance, I`d much rather not have Saddam in the world. I`d much rather have Libya without its nuclear weapons, much rather have Syria without its nuclear weapons it was developing.

    MATTHEWS: That would be an argument…

    FLEISCHER: Three nations, two of which were trying to develop…

    MATTHEWS: That would be…

    FLEISCHER: … nuclear no longer have done so under George Bush`s watch. I believe that`s made for a much more safe and secure Middle East.

    MATTHEWS: Well, the truly frightening…

    FLEISCHER: Iran is the last remaining big problem.

    MATTHEWS: … argument you have just made — the truly frightening argument you just made is anybody in the world we don`t like is worthy of a war to take them out of power. And I don`t believe that`s a justifiable argument morally, politically, geopolitically or other. If we don`t like…

    FLEISCHER: Was there a war against Libya?

    MATTHEWS: … a world leader, and there are a lot of them we don`t like…

    (CROSSTALK)

    FLEISCHER: Chris, yes or no. Was there a war against Libya? The answer is no and Libya no longer has nuclear weapons. They turned them in. They dismantled their program. Was there a war against Syria? The answer is no.

    MATTHEWS: But your argument is that because…

    FLEISCHER: Israel went in and surgically removed…

    MATTHEWS: … we didn`t like Saddam Hussein, we should have gone to war with him. That`s your argument, not mine.

    (CROSSTALK)

    MATTHEWS: Ari, agree to disagree.

    FLEISCHER: … and I believe this still today. And of course, you and I disagree with it. But after September 11, having been hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam might not strike again? And that`s the threat that has been removed, and I think we`re all safer with that threat being removed.

    MATTHEWS: OK. And I am glad-

    FLEISCHER: And I`m proud to take that argument.

    MATTHEWS: … that we no longer have an administration that uses that kind of argument. Thank you very much, Ari Fleischer. And the American people are happier, too. They are, I can assure you. We don`t like that thinking anymore in this country.

    Coming up…

    FLEISCHER: Well, Chris, we all know where you stand.

    MATTHEWS: And you, as well, sir. Thank you for coming on.

    FLEISCHER: Thank you, Chris.

    MATTHEWS: I mean it.

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    Theres the conversation in its true context

    NO WHERE IN THAT EXCHANGE WAS THERE ANY HINT, SUGGESTION, ASSUMPTION, OR ANYTHING AT ALL THAT REPRESENTS ARI SAYING SADDAM ATTACKED US ON 911 OTHERWISE MATTHEWS AND EVEN ME WOULD OF LOOKED AT THE GUY LIKE HE WAS A LUNATIC !!!!!

    ANSWER ME.
    WHY DIDNT MATTHEWS ASK HIM “ARE YOU OUTTA YOUR FREAKING MIND ? EVERYONE KNOWS WHO ATTACKED US ON 911.
    ARE YOU, ARI FLEISCHER AT ONE TIME PRESS SECRETARY TO THE WHITE HOUSE SAYING THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN ATTACKED US ON 911 ??

    BUT NO !!!, MATTHEWS DIDNT ASK OR REBUT THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE ARI NEVER SAID THAT !!!

    AND WHERE(ILL ASK YOU AGAIN) IS THIS “LETTING HIM HAVE IT” THAT YOU SAY MATTHEWS GAVE ARI FOR SAYING THAT ?

    I’VE SUCCESSFULLY MADE MY POINT AS TO WHY YOU’RE A LIAR AND WHY I DONT DEBATE YOU ANYMORE

  11. Micky, Obama can’t keep spending at the rate he spent this first six months ad infinitum. Period. You can’t extrapolate that way. That is spurrious logic. Insane. I could take any particular six-month period from the Bush administration, extrapolate it out the way you have, and probably suggest that Bush would have expanded the debt by a thousand percent over the same length of time. That’s just silly, and rather creepy, if you ask me.

    Again, and I’m sorry you don’t like it, Ari Fleischer conferred that Saddam Hussein had somethng to do with 9/11, or at least was capable or willing to perpetrate another 9/11 on us. I’m sorry that bothers you so much, I’m sorry you can’t bring yourself to see that, and I’m sorry you blame me for your insecurity with that issue. You don’t “debate” me anymore because you can’t. Period. I’m not a liar. I don’t stand for lying. I don;t care if you’re with me or against me, I don’t tolerate lying. Apparently you have a different standard. Don’t hold that against me.

    JMJ

  12. Micky 2 says:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/03/11/chris-matthews-grills-ari-fleischer-enemy-state

    I’ve been to three blogs that carried the interview.
    No where in any of the comments on any of the blogs did anyone say that Ari said Saddam attacked us on 911,
    If Ari has said that it would of been across the front page of every blog, newspaper and the lead story on every cable news outlet

    You pulled that one out you butt and did a pi$$ poor job of trying to construe something out of context.
    Besides that, whats wrong with you ? Have some dignity, no one watchs Chris. Well, actually you and Matthews are alot alike. You make stuff up and then when the truth is presented you carry on as if it was just a breeze abd obfuscate, move on to something else or insist like a baby that you’re right.

    Wonder what that says when ones position is so weak they have to lie, and then lie about lying.
    I’ll try again in about 6 months, see if you get your act together and stop saying stuff you can never prove.

    You see, its like this.
    I said Obama quadrupled the debt. I was wrong, I admitted it. I said my numbers were off but when on to say that a quadrupled debt wont be too far away.

    I said something wrong, admited it.

    Now, be the man you’re always asking everyone to be and step up to the plate, admit what you said was wrong or not true and you might have an opponent in the future

  13. And again, Ari Fleischer said, “After September 11th having been hit once how could we take a chance that Saddam might strike again? And that’s the threat that has been removed and I think we are all safer with that threat removed.”

    Are you going to continue along with this lie or just admit that it is a lie?

    JMJ

  14. Micky 2 says:

    You cant answer my questions.

    Where did Ari say that Sadam attacked us on 911 ?

    Has Saddam not struck before ? Kuwaut ? His own people ? No fly zones ?

    The coversation was about the threat that Saddam posed to the world and neighbors. READ IT !

    DID HE SAY THAT SADDAM “””HIT”” US ON 911 ?

    And if Ari did say that Saddam attacked us on 911 why did no one, the whole media or anyone else, including Matthews not ask him how he could say such a stupis thing when the whole world knows it was Al Queda that attacked us on 911 ?????

    Answer me. Show the rebutal that should of come from Matthews.
    Answer me. Where is this “LET HIM HAVE IT” that you say Matthews gave to Ari for saying that.

    Its like me fighting two guys at once.
    After beiung hit by one, how can I take the chance that other guy might hit me after hes hit evertone else.

    Jersey.
    Anyone reading this can see that you’re just a big fat liar construinbg something that no one else sees.
    Otherwise it would be all over the news everywhere that the prrsidents spokesman things Saddam commited 911.
    A story like that would shadow everything for weeks.
    It hasnt because it didnt happen ?
    Read the script. The conversation leading up to that statemnent makes it clear that after 911 we couldnt take the chance of anyone striking again.
    The point behimnd the conversation with Matthews was that Saddam posed a threat and was looking like he wanted to go after someone.
    They talked anout how he did not have the weapons but that the technology fpor developing such weapons was there and had been used and we could not take the chance of him striking again like ge did woith Kuwait, Iran, our pilots and his own people.

    Now answer my questions

  15. Micky 2 says:

    Wgy did no one on any comment thread that carried the debate mention that Ari said Saddam attacked us on 911 ? HUH ?
    The link I provided had mostly comments from moonbats and not “ONE not “ONE SINGLE MOONBAT” saqys what you say.

    You’d think that if Ari said something so stupis then one of your owb would of c=brought it up.
    But even the most deranged KOS moonbat didnt se it the way you’re lying about it

    Since you ‘re either too lazy or disengenuous to actually accept the proof I’m goint to (SORRY ERIC) overwhelm the tjread with every comment from the readers who saw what you and I saw.

    And you tell where anyone sats that Ari said Saddam attacked us on 911.
    NOT ONE PERTSON BROUGHT IT UP !!!!

    It Was Lovely
    March 11, 2009 – 23:58 ET by HoosierEm
    I watched it as it happened and I was hoping it would be here tonight. Ari Fleischer was courteous and composed and Chris Matthews was losing it. At one point Mr. Matthews had no response whatsoever to one of Fleischer’s zingers and there was dead air for ten seconds or so. To cut the silence, Chris Matthews then said, “What?”

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    exactly
    March 12, 2009 – 00:32 ET by Jason Aslinger
    I agree. Fleischer got the best of Matthews. But Matthews’ behavior was stunning (as Noel put it), even by Matthews’ poor standards. Maybe others have commented, but the video on this is worth watching. Fleischer at one point knocks Matthews for not letting him finish a question, and Matthews’ own stagehands laugh at him. It was quite a spectacle.

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    Stunning
    March 12, 2009 – 06:14 ET by Gat New York
    Ari did not give Matthews an inch of room and called him out at every misstep.

    What it showed was that Matthews is not a journalist like Ari is and can not stand up to his own worlds and positions – or stand up to the treatment he is so famous for.

    At one point Matthews seemed confused and near tears and looking for help or the clock to end this.

    What are the chances Olbermann and Maddow will invite Ari on his show?

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    obama inherited this
    March 12, 2009 – 14:35 ET by TruthMonger
    obama inherited this recession from the democrat-controlled congress – who inherited a very healthy economy from Republican control and then promptly crashed it into a ball of flames – and now obama is pouring gas on the fire

    of course:

    FLEISCHER: What`s troublesome is why you would twist my words. When I said we were wrong, you said I acknowledged we were dishonest. Chris, that reveals a lot about you and how you…

    who’s worst prez ever now?!!

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    Feischer Did Well
    March 12, 2009 – 08:25 ET by allanf
    I was fortuante enough to see the interview live. I thougth Fleischer handled himself well. The only meat to Matthews argument was that the Administrations use of the term “mushroom cloud” implied that Saddam had nuclear weapons. Fleischer was quick to point out that he said over and over that Saddam did not have nuclear weapons.

    Matthews is a very angry man. I hope Fleischer is well paid to appear with him.

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    Owned
    March 12, 2009 – 10:25 ET by nadadhimmi
    Hey Chrissy, don’t mess with the Zohan. You got butt raped on your own show, and it wasn’t from Obama, which you would have loved ,huh?

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    Game, set, match,
    March 12, 2009 – 05:53 ET by motherbelt
    Game, set, match, Fleischer!

    It was evident from the very first exchange what Matthews intent was, and that Fleischer wasn’t about to let him get away with it…

    (emphasis mine)

    MATTHEWS: What brings you back? Is this the return from Elba? Is
    this the 100 days of Napoleon`s return from Crawford? What is going on
    with this network of former Bushies — current Bushies, I should say —
    singing the old song?

    FLEISCHER: Well, Chris, I`m here because you invited me to be here.

    And it was all downhill from there….

    I didn’t think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson

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    Who cares what Matthews says..or..Notice anything missing?
    March 12, 2009 – 00:04 ET by Andante
    CABLE NEWS RACE
    TUES., MARCH 10, 2009

    FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,212,000
    FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,376,000
    FOXNEWS BECK 2,331,000
    FOXNEWS BAIER 2,274,000
    FOXNEWS SHEP 2,044,000
    FOXNEWS GRETA 1,965,000
    CNN COOPER 1,214,000
    CNN KING 1,185,000
    MSNBC MADDOW 1,041,000
    CNNHN GRACE 986,000
    MSNBC OLBERMANN 928,000

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    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

    Thomas Jefferson

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    Very good news
    March 12, 2009 – 00:28 ET by Texndoc
    Doesn’t Glenn Beck compete directly with Matthews?

    I saw the Ari/Chrissie video on another site and Ari should be a regular on the show. Might boost ratings from above 247 people watching. As pointed out on HotAir, it was funny that when Ari asked Matthews if he ever does not interrupt his guest that even the stagehands couldn’t hold back laughter.

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    time slots
    March 12, 2009 – 01:12 ET by Andante
    Re: “Doesn’t Glenn Beck compete directly with Matthews?”

    Yes , they share the same time slot and Beck is killing Matthews. I can’t remember exactly but I think Matthews pulls in about 200,000 viewers.

    Editing…I did some digging and was not able to pin down Matthew’s ratings but it was interesting to read numerous lefty reports about Beck’s falling numbers at CNN . I’m sure we’ll hear all about Beck’s new success and Matthew’s falling numbers real soon…………..

    sound of crickets

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    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

    Thomas Jefferson

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    Andante
    March 12, 2009 – 06:06 ET by Rush Fan
    My post here has a link to Matthews’ ratings.

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    “The left — you people, you Democrats — you are creating a monster that you will not be able to control forever. You will ultimately regret what you are doing just like the media will ultimately regret its sacrifice of reason, its abandonment of its primary purpose.” ~ Rush Limbaugh

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    per mediabistro’s tvnewser
    March 12, 2009 – 09:05 ET by Red Jeep
    On Tuesday March 10, Matthews at 5:00 had 119,000 viewers in the 25 to 54 age group. Total viewers were 630,000. This compares to Beck, on Fox at the same time, 662,000, 25 to 54 and total viewers 2,331,000.

    Also Matthews just took a 60% pay cut from 5 mill to 2 mill a year to continue his show.

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    Note
    March 12, 2009 – 01:31 ET by Andante
    Last month Olberdummy was at 1,485,000. Now he is at 928,000 a 33.6% drop. He may need a stimulus package soon.

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    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

    Thomas Jefferson

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    Adante… One thing about
    March 12, 2009 – 01:37 ET by bigtimer
    Adante…

    One thing about it…the good news for us taxpayers, if they Bath-Tub Boy ever got counted in the Stimulus package, it would only be the price of a couple of thumb-tacks…at Wal-Mart price to-boot!

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    Tingles
    March 12, 2009 – 01:50 ET by Andante
    “…if the Bath-Tub Boy ever got counted in the Stimulus package…”

    I think Nancy has already arranged for Olberdummy to get stimulated by rubbing some tingle off Matthew’s leg.

    I gotta stop this; the visual is making me sick. Good night 🙂

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    Andante… Good night…have
    March 12, 2009 – 01:59 ET by bigtimer
    Andante…

    Good night…have a good one, at least you have me smirking.

    Catch ya later.

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    I tried to watch it.
    March 12, 2009 – 00:08 ET by supercon
    I could only take a minute or two.

    Chris Matthews is nothing but a spokesperson for the Obama administration and MSNBC is nothing more than a PR firm for the White House and the DNC.They are peddlers of lies.

    They are no longer a news organization as if they ever were.

    Because with a name like Obama… you know it has to be good.

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    § NOEL…Interview Ari Fleischer!!!
    March 12, 2009 – 00:11 ET by TheSter
    I have now seen Ari go Toe-to-Toe with Shyster and Crissy…and TOAST them.

    Can you get an Interview with him?

    I also heard you are blogging for Foxnews.com ???

    Can you give us a Link?? I’m looking around now.

    Did you Post about it…How do you like it??

    Ster.

    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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    Ster
    March 12, 2009 – 00:16 ET by Noel Sheppard
    http://foxforum.blog

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    § Noel…Thanks!! Please take note…
    March 12, 2009 – 00:41 ET by TheSter
    Can you watch the Video again and LISTEN for Matthews to GRUNT, EXHALE, and SNIF into the MIC while Ari is talking.

    Seriously….

    I watched this 2 times. LISTEN, Record, and put into a SOUND file….

    I’ll use it as a RING TONE!!!

    Ster.

    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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    I LOL’d…oh man, I lol’d
    March 12, 2009 – 09:00 ET by Mike Sargent
    Seriously, that may be the best thing I have seen all year – Chris “Thriller” Matthews getting intellectually body-slammed on his own show. I was CHEERING watching this replay. Chris’ only good point is about how the fall of Iraq led to the rise of Iran – but even that is not completely true, as the rise of Iran was also influenced by factors such as Russian arms and oil trade (look at the pipeline that runs out of the northwest corner of Iran…I personally believe that to be the reason for the Georgian invasion – our pipeline there was bombed in the first three days), as well as a moderate amount of Chinese trade.

    Iran did not simply rise because there was no Iraq. So Matthews is still an abject failure 🙂

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    Make no mistake!
    March 12, 2009 – 00:15 ET by Rousse
    Make no mistake! There will be a day of reckoning for Chris Matthews and he will weep bitter tears. Words cannot describe the blot on humanity that bears the name “Chris Matthews.” It is like swallowing vomit to listen to him. I don’t know how Ari Fleischer managed to get through the interview. It makes me sick to my stomach.

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    the economy?
    March 12, 2009 – 00:15 ET by jondelwiche
    The Dems ran THE Congress in 2007 and 2008.
    Biden and Obama voted for these budgets in the Senate
    both years, as part of THE majority party.
    B and O were sucking up fannie donations as well.

    The Dems were THE major contributors to the state of the economy in 2009. These partisans trying to rewrite history are shameful.

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    Thank You Noel.
    March 12, 2009 – 00:16 ET by bigtimer
    Thank You Noel.

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    § Bt, Noel…Note how Matthews denegrated DENNY’s??
    March 12, 2009 – 00:24 ET by TheSter
    The Into to the “Show”…

    Matthews makes fun of a fundraiser of Regular People at a Denny’s for Gov. Palin. They make 3,000 dollars. He makes FUN of IT!!

    Sound a little….

    …wait for it…

    ELETIST???

    Ster.

    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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    Nothing new here
    March 12, 2009 – 00:23 ET by RESTLESS 1
    Chris is a first class idiot. Chris being a partisan hack is like the sun rising every day. I’ve come to expect it.

    “This
    liberal would be all about socialize — uh, uh, would be about
    basically taking over and the government running all of your companies.”-Maxine Waters 2008

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    Looks to me like Chris
    March 12, 2009 – 00:37 ET by R D Helm
    Looks to me like Chris Matthews might be trying to position himself to replace the hideously incompetent, but supremely entertaining Robert Gibbs, whose days as spokesmouth for the Organizer I still maintain are numbered.

    The huge cut in pay notwithstanding, of course.

    Besides, Chris did say he was willing to do whatever to make sure that the Organizer’s “presidency” was a success, did he not? Not even two months into it, the former Chicago street agitator’s “presidency” appears to me to be on life support.

    Time to step up to the plate, Chris.

    -Dave

    This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

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    Matthews
    March 12, 2009 – 00:24 ET by KC Mulville
    That was a performance, all right. And for the record, Fleischer cleaned his clock. Contrast this with Tim Russert. Russert always did the same thing that Matthews did here. Russert would take a quote from the guest’s past, and hold it up for all to see, where the guest had said something that “seems to contradict” what he’s saying now.

    But the glaring difference is that Russert would give the guest a chance to defend himself.

    Matthews is afraid to allow the guest to defend himself, because he’s afraid that the guest might destroy the accusation. Case in point – the mushroom cloud. Matthews has been peddling the idea that Bush was frightening everyone about mushroom clouds and nuclear disaster. But when Fleischer correctly demolished that, Matthews was desperate to hold onto it. That’s why Matthews interrupts … he’s afraid of the answer.

    I don’t like that tactic from any of them. O’Reilly and Hannity do the same thing, and I can’t stand it. Let the guest talk. After all, my two favorite interviewers were WFBuckley and Tim Russert. More often than not, Buckley and Russert would allow the guest to hang themselves.

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    KC… Yep…I posted
    March 12, 2009 – 00:41 ET by bigtimer
    KC…

    Yep…I posted about this right after it happened somewhere today, I watched it live and let Noel know about it right off, before the show was over…it was something to behold…

    This is the secomd time Ari cleaned his clock, with such firm grace.

    It was priceless…all of it, and unless others really listen to it all, they aren’t going to know what they missed.

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    Ari should have asked…
    March 12, 2009 – 00:24 ET by ConservativeFL
    Chris, what color is the sky in your world? I’m starting to wonder how these bitter people (Matthews et. al) get themselves out bed in the morning, it must take a great deal of mental and physical energy to be so hate filled and bitter. Wow.

    “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15.” Ronald Reagan

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    Yeah I totally agree
    March 12, 2009 – 00:38 ET by shawn228
    Matthews was being a total Jerk. I hate guys like that, why did Fleisher even agree to be on.

    On a side note.

    FLEISCHER: … President Bush included. And despite the fact that we
    were wrong about whether Saddam had WMD because Saddam lied about it
    and everybody, included Bill Clinton, believed he had WMD, I believe we
    are all better off and Barack Obama is better off because Saddam
    Hussein is no longer in this world or in this Middle East creating more
    trouble.

    Both BD and cocodrie seem to think it is a media lie that it is the official stance of the Bush administration that we were wrong about Saddam having WMD. I hope this proves them wrong.

    He had my vote

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    shawn… Take your side
    March 12, 2009 – 00:50 ET by bigtimer
    shawn…

    Take your side note back to the thread where you have this on-going matter going on with BD and coco, instead of trying to derail the thread.

    Btw…Ari, creamed Matthews, that is what this is about.

    Period.

    …and now that makes twice Ari has done this…I wonder just how many more times he will have him on as a guest, if he is smart, or his handlers are, they will do so a lot more.

    Nothing like sacrifing Matthews for ratings…which he will do gladly….’pick me…pick me!’

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    bt
    March 12, 2009 – 00:57 ET by shawn228
    I feel what I said was relevent, because many here not just those two posters, feel this adminstrations stance is we found WMD.

    While the fact that we did find wmd might be true, it sure is not the Bush administrations position on it.

    I also agree with you, Ari was cool, and Matthews looked like a whiny leftist that got his a$$ handed to him.

    He had my vote

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    § Shawn228…We AGREE!!
    March 12, 2009 – 01:03 ET by TheSter
    WOW…It was a Great SMACK DOWN!!

    Listen for Mathews SNIFF and BLOW into the MIC while Ari was talking!!! I watched it 2 times.

    What do you think?

    …If you can get the video…let me know.

    Ster.

    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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    Advice
    March 12, 2009 – 02:03 ET by Unsane
    Take this to The Woodshed, shawn.

    “CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME” – Slayer, “Fictional Reality”, from Divine Intervention (1994)

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    Lol Unsane
    March 12, 2009 – 09:17 ET by shawn228
    If you of all people think I am derailing the topic, I must really be out of line 😉

    I am dropping it as of now,unless one of them brings it up k?

    He had my vote

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    Whine
    March 12, 2009 – 13:33 ET by Unsane
    If you of all people think I am derailing the topic, I must really be out of line 😉 Yet another incessant whine that is borne primarily by your refusal to read/think critically.

    “CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME” – Slayer, “Fictional Reality”, from Divine Intervention (1994)

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    § BT!!! LOL!!
    March 12, 2009 – 00:58 ET by TheSter
    I’m Posting the Same thing!!

    U type faster than me!!

    Ster.

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    Evening Ster… Well,
    March 12, 2009 – 01:05 ET by bigtimer
    Evening Ster…

    Well, heck, I may try to get that job you want if I do that…lol.

    Did you watch all of this today, like you usually catch?

    If not, do so when you can.

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    § BT…I watch NEWS all DAY!! Yeah…Need a Hobby.
    March 12, 2009 – 01:13 ET by TheSter
    I’m looking into Belly Button Lint Collecting.

    I will make a Lint Statue of the Saint Obama.

    Ster.

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    Spending
    March 12, 2009 – 00:42 ET by jcbeck1000
    Noel, I just wanted to clarify Chris’s spending beliefs as I see them. It stimulates the economy when a Democrat spends but if a Republican spends, it is harmful. Makes perfect sense, right?

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    fleisher
    March 12, 2009 – 00:46 ET by traderjames
    I am less stunned by tingle-up-my-leg’s performance, as I am proud of Ari. This is his third (to my knowledge) appearance on MSNBC, and he performed stunningly well once again, calling TUML out personally time and time again. This is a spokesman for the right who really needs to be seen all over the media spectrum.

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    I agree
    March 12, 2009 – 00:49 ET by Texndoc
    MATTHEWS: What brings you back? Is this the return from Elba? Is this the 100 days of Napoleon`s return from Crawford? What is going on with this network of former Bushies — current Bushies, I should say — singing the old song?

    FLEISCHER: Well, Chris, I`m here because you invited me to be here.

    ++++++++

    Fleisher controlled from the first answer.

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    Td… What tickled me was
    March 12, 2009 – 01:01 ET by bigtimer
    Td…

    What tickled me was when he said something like (paraphrasing) ….

    …”Do you always have to interrupt your guests before we can answer?”

    Priceless!

    Matthew shut-up for a few.. 😉

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    Prepare to unleash hell! We’re going to war.
    March 12, 2009 – 00:57 ET by JWF
    And it is about time. We have have waited 30 years.

    And now we face Ahmadinejad in Iran with no buffer in the region, no threat to his power, no counter-power to him. He`s all alone over there as a main threat to our country and to other countries in the region…

    You heard it here folks. Yellow stain Matthews said it here. Said it now. Said it before the ENTIRE PLANET.

    Iran is the MAIN THREAT to our country.

    We are going in. This is Matthews war!

    Sincerely,

    a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

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    I watched the interview
    March 12, 2009 – 00:54 ET by The_Freeman
    I even read the transcripts and didn’t see anything “Disgraceful” on Matthews’ side of the interview. What was disgusting was fleischer’s attempt to re-write history, lie, obsfucate and propagandize the incompetent bush administration.

    It’s high time a ‘Talking Head’ called one of the bush propagandists on their moronic claim that “bush kept us safe….AFTER 9/11”!

    As if the 3000 people murdered on bush’s watch were little more than a little “whoopsie”.

    Had the bush people made terror a priority from the begining, they could have stopped the attacks. Instead, they figured if Clinton was doing something, they would do the opposite. And, in this case, they put terror on the back-burner. in fact, cheney never even met with his terror team until AFTER we were hit.

    But then, that was the bush administration, never where they were needed….

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    Terror on the back burner?
    March 12, 2009 – 01:09 ET by Texndoc
    I suppose Bill Clinton had terror on the front burner when the FBI and CIA had Jamie Gorelick’s wall of silence built between them. IMHO, 9-11 happened on Clinton’s watch.

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    What about the first WTC attack?
    March 12, 2009 – 01:44 ET by Jer
    So I take it the first WTC attack happened on George H. W. Bush’s watch?

    Jer

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    Missing
    March 12, 2009 – 01:15 ET by HoosierEm
    The democratic underground is missing one of its idiots.

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    Oh goody…another
    March 12, 2009 – 01:17 ET by bigtimer
    Oh goody…another troll.

    Golly gee Freeman, at least try to capitalize the first letter of bush if you didn’t want to be so transparent.

    Then again….I’m quite sure you did.

    You would do well to read and learn from a user named Sterling here…he is the best.

    Best of the luck to ya…heheheee..

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    The Freeman is a Single Dad
    March 12, 2009 – 08:42 ET by SickofLibs
    The Freeman is a Single Dad and a Photographer who hates bush.

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    § Freeman…Cut and Paste Much??
    March 12, 2009 – 01:27 ET by TheSter
    I just read those talking points on….

    …wait for it…

    MediaMatters, ThinkProgress…and KOS.

    How Do I Know??

    I’m Registered on all 3.

    Ster.

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    The Monday Morning QB
    March 12, 2009 – 01:57 ET by Unsane
    Sounds like Monday Morning QBing to me.

    You know, freeman, we could have done something to stop the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks between 20 January 2001 and 10 September 2001. BUT…

    The resulting loss of civil liberties you would have had to suffer WOULD HAVE YOU SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER. (Conspiracies of 20 people are a real PITA to break up.) Let’s face it. Bush cannot win under ANY circumstances.

    “CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME” – Slayer, “Fictional Reality”, from Divine Intervention (1994)

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    Unsane… It was a
    March 12, 2009 – 03:20 ET by Jer
    Unsane…

    It was a problem Clinton faced also. When he pushed for legislation to enable the tracking of terrorist funding, Congressional Republicans [and some Democrats] blocked it on grounds it was too intrusive.

    Jer

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    Intelligence informed us
    March 12, 2009 – 03:13 ET by Kevroy
    Intelligence informed us long ago that the WTC attacks had been in the planning stages for FIVE YEARS. So, four years of setting the stage during the Clinton years followed by an attack in GW’s first year. I suppose this means that EVERYTHING that happens on Obama’s watch is Obama’s baby. Stock market, unemployment, business collapsing, housing crisis….it’s all yours Barry, its happening on your watch.

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    Check out the NB blogs and
    March 12, 2009 – 03:23 ET by Jer
    Check out the NB blogs and threads. Obama is already being blamed for it, and he’s been in office less than two months.

    Jer

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    Well, I’ll speak for myself
    March 12, 2009 – 12:18 ET by KC Mulville
    I’ve been against the bailouts from the beginning, and I argued against them even when Bush was in charge. To be clear, when Bush announced the first TARP, he said that it goes against all of his principles. At which point, I screamed at the TV, “then don’t do it!” The moment you agree to something that goes against your principles is the moment of surrender.

    Allow me to recommend a philosopher named Jon Elster. I think he’s at Columbia now. I read him a lot during grad school, because he’s written a lot about the subject of rational choice. Anyway, in the past couple of years, Elster has become disenchanted with the whole notion of rational choice. People don’t choose rationally, and Elster has begun to reflect on why.

    I honestly believe that this entire economic crisis, and especially the muddled attempts to deal with it, validate everything Elster says. In some ways, I think Elster is the “John the Baptist” of collective rationality – or better yet, collective irrationality.

    The slam against Obama is that he’s handcuffing us to the Paulson approach, while he’s spending trillions elsewhere. Little of it is rational. It’s almost all being done, forgive the pun, based on hope.

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    Stock Markets and His Majesty The Shahinshah
    March 12, 2009 – 13:41 ET by Unsane
    While the stock market began to head south under Bush, it should be noted that it REALLY began to crash and burn under His Majesty The Shahinshah.

    Once the investment community saw He was elected, it no longer was a selloff kicked off by the “credit crunch” and lower earnings. Instead, they realized that He was to take office with a Congress populated with people who, like Him, have a deep, visceral, intense hatred for any human being who dares make a single penny above Per Capita Income.

    So, when the producers, the investors, and entrepreneurs saw that the people voted in The Shahinshah, they immediately knew they would be targets. How to de-target themselves? Sell.

    In essence, the response to the rise of the Socialist Shahinshah on the stock market is a very simple one: “Screw it. it’s been fun. Bye.” So yes, a good chunk of the stock market slide can be laid at the feet of His Majesty The Shahinshah.

    But then, He doesn’t care about the stock market because it is not indicative of how the economy is going. It is like a poll, He says. And, He says, now is a good time to get in because of the profits to earnings ratio. Whatever the hell that is.

    “CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME” – Slayer, “Fictional Reality”, from Divine Intervention (1994)

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    As if the 3000 people
    March 12, 2009 – 03:38 ET by Jack Bauer
    As if the 3000 people murdered on bush’s watch were little more than a little “whoopsie”.

    What a disgusting cretin you are. Why it’s as if you wanted 3000 people murdered just so you could score a pathetic little “whoopsie.”

    Obama Amends The Constitution
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    ~Ooh..look
    March 12, 2009 – 10:36 ET by choselife3x
    New lib. A Loobie. Says he was in the Navy and he’s a single dad. Hmmmm..

    Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

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    § FLEISCHER SMOKED MATTHEWS. PERIOD.
    March 12, 2009 – 00:55 ET by TheSter
    We need Republican’s on MSNBC that have GUTS.

    PAT and JOE??? That’s IT!!

    Ari is doing GREAT!!

    Ster.

    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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    Ann Coulter
    March 12, 2009 – 01:02 ET by katainkent
    her book “Treason” addresses all of this. Maybe Matthews should interview her next. After he recovers from this beating, of course.

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    “MATTHEWS: Yes, but we were
    March 12, 2009 – 01:29 ET by Carl Kolchak
    “MATTHEWS: Yes, but we were attacked on your watch. If you start getting into who was attacked when, we suffered the worst domestic calamity in history on your watch. If you get into this whose watch was good, you guys blew it.”

    Let’s see if Matthews is as “objective” as he claims. I don’t think he is, but if he is then he may want to question how much FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    Here is a website that questions how FDR let Admiral Kimmel take the heat, but claims FDR knew. I’m not saying FDR knew, but if Matthews wants to be objective and give Fleisher a hard time, he had better realize some poeple think FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor.

    From the link below.

    “The US had decoded Japanese radio message traffic informing of the impending attack. Admiral Kimmel has said he believes that those who knew of this message traffic knew a war with Japan was inevitable, and therefore chose to withhold it. He charges that those who knew included the president, his key cabinet officials, and the senior military leadership in Washington. He has further charged that these men did not tell the military commanders in Hawaii because they feared these commanders might take action to deter the attack.”

    “It is clear today that, among those responsible for the Japanese attack, first must be President Roosevelt himself. .”

    http://www.talkingproud.us/HistoryKimmelShort.html

    Then from the book review for Scapegoats: A Defense of Kimmel and Short at Pearl Harbor by Edward L. Beach

    http://www.fff.org/freedom/1095g.asp

    Then here is a website that I think looks at the myths about Pearl Harbor pretty well.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/myths/index.html

    And from a document from that link.

    “Page 161

    clearly outlining the trends that were hastening us into war with Japan.

    At approximately 10:00 o’clock p.m. on December 6, 1941, and more than

    15 hours before the attack at Pearl Harbor, G-2 delivered to the office

    of the War Plans Division and to the office of the Chief of Staff of the

    Army information which indicated very emphatically that war with Japan

    was a certainty and that the beginning of such was in the immediate

    future. The officers to whom this information was delivered were told

    of its importance and impressed with the necessity of getting it into

    the hands of those who could act, the Chief of Staff of the Army and

    Chief of the War Plans Division.

    On the following morning December 7 at about 8:30 a.m. other information

    reached the office of G-2, vital in its nature and indicating an almost

    immediate break in relations between the United States and Japan.

    Colonel Bratton, Chief, Far Eastern Section, G-2, attempted to reach the

    Chief of Staff of the Army in order that he might be informed of the

    receipt of this message. He discovered that the General was horseback

    riding. Finally and at approximately 11:25 a.m. the Chief of Staff

    reached his office and received this information. General Miles, then

    G-2 of War Department, appeared at about the same time. A conference

    was held between these two officers and General Gerow of the War Plans

    Division who himself had come to the Office of the Chief of Staff.

    Those hours when Bratton was attempting to reach someone who could take

    action in matters of this importance and the passing without effective

    action having been taken prevented this critical information from

    reaching General Short in time to be of value to him.

    Page 162

    About noon a message was hastily dispatched to overseas department

    commanders including Short in the Hawaiian Department. This message

    which had been discussed elsewhere in this report, came into Short’s

    possession after the attack had been completed.”

    http://ibiblio.org/pha/pha/army/chap_3c.html#138

    It appears the Americans had broken Japanese codes and knew an attack was coming, but I don’t think they knew when or where. It appears Kimmel was made to be the scapegoat, and unfairly treated.

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    Carl… Thank you.
    March 12, 2009 – 01:41 ET by bigtimer
    Carl…

    Thank you.

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    Well it is on youtube
    March 12, 2009 – 01:36 ET by well99
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04sLOdF6MWA

    Please dont post any comments to the sensitive Chrissy fans.

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    I am sick to death of these partisan hacks playing word games.
    March 12, 2009 – 03:37 ET by JWF
    Matthews plays word games with a war we are still involved in. 4000 men & women haved payed the ultimate sacrifice in the war Matthews is using for political points.

    In the meantime, I have posted links to this video before back in October.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAW_yK1ZoEw

    I go to watch it again tonight and I see this posted in the comments.

    this video was made by spc. jason bogar 2nd platoon chosen company. mostly made up of vids from 2nd plt chosen and battle company. he was one of 9 in second platoon chosen killed on july 13. miss you brother.

    Here is an account of what happened.

    http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=56237

    I am angry. I am tired. I am sick of people like Matthews using the war in Iraq & Afghanistan for political hit points.

    We put up with Saddam’s crap for 11 years. Congress authorised the use of force in Oct 2002. He had another 5 months to bug out.

    We were right to go in. We were right to stay and leave something better. 4000 men and women did not sacrifice their lives for this country FOR A MISTAKE. Stop the political hack word games.

    We have one CinC that started the war in Afghanistan. Now we have a new CinC that is running it. His political affiliation does not matter. Only one thing matters. Finish the job and start using the word victory so Spc Bogars’ death will mean something.

    Sincerely,

    a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dave-pierre/2008/10/19/lats-brooks-obamas-point-correct-saying-our-troops-just-air-raiding-kil#comment-751749

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    I abhor this type of
    March 12, 2009 – 01:53 ET by Jer
    I abhor this type of “interview”. It reminds me of one of the blowhard charlatan O’Reilly’s “the spin stops here” interrogations which consists of his talking over and bullying the guest. His audience seems to approve however.

    Jer

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    Gee Jer… Lets take it
    March 12, 2009 – 02:04 ET by bigtimer
    Gee Jer…

    Lets take it back to Matthews vs. Ari, where this thread belongs…how do you think Matthews audience rates this performance?

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    Well, bt…
    March 12, 2009 – 02:19 ET by Jer
    I would hope as unfavorably as I did, but probably not.

    Jer

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    Uh-Oh Jer…whoa
    March 12, 2009 – 02:25 ET by bigtimer
    Uh-Oh Jer…whoa there…wait a second here…we agree!

    ….Something is wrong with this picture!!!

    Good place as any to say nighty-night…early morning tomorow.

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    Bye, bye…baby
    March 12, 2009 – 03:07 ET by Jer
    Bye, bye…baby doll.

    Jer

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    Tingles’ inappropriate behavior
    March 12, 2009 – 02:01 ET by Unsane
    Just more reason to hate Tingles. NB did a piece on this, but y’all need a reminder, I suspect.

    “CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME” – Slayer, “Fictional Reality”, from Divine Intervention (1994)

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    President Bush’s biggest
    March 12, 2009 – 02:10 ET by maggieqpublic
    President Bush’s biggest mistake was allowing Ari Fleischer to slip away….. only to be replaced by Scott McClellan.

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    maggieq… YEP! You said
    March 12, 2009 – 02:18 ET by bigtimer
    maggieq…

    YEP!

    You said a mouthful.

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    Let’s be honest. It was a
    March 12, 2009 – 02:16 ET by mostlymoderate
    Let’s be honest. It was a lose/lose situation for Bush. He loses if he chooses to battle the terrorists and the economy slips and he loses if he chose not to battle the terrorists and we were attacked again. Bush did what he had to do an unfortunately, to keep the American people safe, he will have to take the heat forever. Democrats would have blamed him either way.

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    GWB was a far more
    March 12, 2009 – 10:54 ET by Smartypants
    GWB was a far more effective president than most have given him credit for. People like Mattews love to point to Bush’s low approval ratings, while the media and their Dem friends are mostly responsible for those ratings. They misrepresented most of everything related to Bush. They blamed a hurricane on him; they blamed 9/11 on him; they called him a liar without any evidence; and they created an image of the man that is simply not true.

    I will always contend that if GWB were a Democrat, and everything else remained identical–from the Iraq War to Katrina to tax cuts to 9/11–the Democrat version of Bush would have left office with relatively high approval ratings and the general respect of the media. A Democrat Bush would never have been crucified for trying to keep the country safe and he would have never been questioned for “warrantless wiretapping” of terrorist calls. Katrina would have been portrayed completely differently by the media; it would have been cast as just a horrible tragedy with little blame pointed at the president. The media would have been cheering the strong economy for most of the decade and would have been more likely to direct the blame for the crash where it belongs. A Democrat President Bush would have gone down as a fairly successful president overall.

    GWB is classified as a “failure” because there is an “R” after his name.

    The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama’s war on capitalism.

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    You nailed it my friend…
    March 12, 2009 – 11:36 ET by jawebster1
    Thanks to the internet and talk radio we know the truth. Hopefully, someday in the not too distant future, the MSM will return to reporting the news in a “fair and balanced” way and stop being a mouthpiece for the Democrat Party, but don’t hold your breathe. Jim Webster

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    Thanks for documenting this, but those who are regulars here
    March 12, 2009 – 06:13 ET by Rush Fan
    at NewsBusters are not surprised. The blog articles at NewsBusters are filled with Matthews’ asinine behavior, as well as the other nuts at KOSMSNBC. Nevertheless, Matthews performance was disgraceful.

    What is surprising is that reasonable people, such as Ari Fleischer, would continue to go on Matthews’ show or on MSNBC for that matter. Matthews obnoxious behavior certainly should not have been a surprise to Ari Fleischer.

    This is the type of interview we can continue to expect from that network, whose executives have unfortunately and unwisely made the decision that since FoxNews has garnered the viewers on the right, center and moderate left, the only viewers remaining for them to cater to are those on the extreme fringe of the far left.

    It seems that GE/NBC executives have taken a page from a quote attributed incorrectly to Horace Greeley and directed their employees to “Go Left Young Man (and Women), Go Left.” Matthews behaved as repugnant as any far-left reporter would behave when interviewing, as Noel rightfully indicated, the enemy.

    The leftist blogs, such as the Huffington Post, are already celebrating this confrontation: “Among the notable whoppers: Fleischer claimed that Obama should thank his predecessor for “inherit[ing] a world without Saddam in it.” They also celebrated Matthews interview with Fleischer back in May, 2008 when Scott McClellan the traitor’s book was published.

    As for Ari Fleischer, he is a tough cookie, and was able to parry Matthews attacks whenever he was able to get a word in.

    —————————————————————-

    Support the ACLU (afterall, terrorist have rights too)

    —————————————————————-

    “Nobody believes what the mainstream media says now anyway. Except the uneducated, the illiterate, and the uninformed — which, sadly, is a fairly large number” ~ Rush Limbaugh

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    Chrissy, Chrissy, Chrissy
    March 12, 2009 – 03:27 ET by BondPlainBond
    That was the most difficult 16 minutes – ever!

    Listening to Matthews’ under-the-breath sighs, grumblings, rumblings, and snickers was too much. Seriously, this guy should seriously consider therapy and prescription medication. Something is very, very wrong with this fellow. He hears a clearly made statement, not more than twenty words in length, and spins it into something so completely devoid of the original thought, something so wildly unfamiliar and psychotic in rephrase, I am at a loss to understand how he calculates his mental manipulations. Unless is it solely pure hatred speaking.

    MATTHEWS: Yes, well, the way we judge success is what you left behind. The way we judge success in life is if you have a campfire as a Boy Scout and you say — you`re told, Leave it better than when you found it. Did you leave the economy better than you found it?

    From the Boston Globe:

    Video (3:34)

    Grim Proving Ground for Obama’s Housing Policy

    The candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.

    By Binyamin Appelbaum
    Globe Staff / June 27, 2008

    CHICAGO – The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can’t afford to live anywhere else.

    But it’s not safe to live here.

    About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale – a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.

    Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing – an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing.

    As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year.

    But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies – including several hundred in Obama’s former district – deteriorated so completely that they were no longer habitable.

    Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama’s close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama’s constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted.

    Some of the residents of Grove Parc say they are angry that Obama did not notice their plight. The development straddles the boundary of Obama’s state Senate district. Many of the tenants have been his constituents for more than a decade.

    “No one should have to live like this, and no one did anything about it,” said Cynthia Ashley, who has lived at Grove Parc since 1994.

    […].

    Judge THAT, Matthews. Judge THAT. Your President left these neighborhoods inhabitable. I’ll repeat that for you, Chrissy, I could hear your heavy, disrespectful, under-your-breath rumblings of exasperation… INHABITABLE.

    So, using your standard, Chrissy Boy, Obama is a rife, complete, and utter failure. How could you have possible voted for this loser to be Commander-in-Chief when he did, successfully, through his inane plans and projects, complete lack of economic acumen, and irrational need for personal glory drove these neighborhoods into the ground in less time than he will be in office (Obama will NEVER be reelected)?

    Explain it, Chrissy. We’re waiting.

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    Thanks for the link, Bond.
    March 12, 2009 – 15:04 ET by QueenMum
    Thanks for the link, Bond. The full article makes for very interesting reading. It’s mind-boggling how BHO keeps getting away with waltzing from one failed endeavor to another. And no one in the MsM has bothered to delve into the miserable history of the Community Organize-In-Chief.

    Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage’s whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. – Ayn Rand

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    “MATTHEWS: Let me ask you
    March 12, 2009 – 04:33 ET by ckc1227
    “MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this question as a partisan question. Suppose you knew that a Democratic president had…

    FLEISCHER: What else do you ask?

    MATTHEWS:
    … had gotten a presidential memo, a daily presidential briefing that
    said, al Qaeda to attack within the United States”

    A democrat did….President Bill Clinton. The pdb in question that Bush received was virtually identical to one received by Clinton, in 1998 I believe, not to mention war being declared on this country by Osama with several attacks carried out against us before he left office.

    “MATTHEWS: … Ahmadinejad, who doesn`t have a buffer in the region…”

    Riiiiiight….Saddam was a buffer, but the most powerful military in the world being next door isn’t. Gotcha, Chris. Although, technically, you’re probably right now, with the new appeaser in chief as president.

    And since when do democrats give a damn about spending?

    Man, I despise this pig…..scratch that, that’s an insult to pigs…I despise this…thing. I almost hope that he ods on insulin for his blatant dishonesty, and the damage he and his kind have done to this country.

    Almost….

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    Inherited?
    March 12, 2009 – 06:35 ET by KH29

    I inherited my dads looks, but do you see me taking a sledgehammer to my face every morning? No

    “There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility.”

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    Letting the Marines decide
    March 12, 2009 – 07:42 ET by ThisnThat
    Chris says “But isn`t there a lot of you out there — I called them the “band of Bushies” — who are out there trying to remind us of how good he really was?”

    I want to repeat the link provided by DoktorFrankin in an ealier thread, showing how much the Marines loved President Bush. Does this answer your question, Chris?

    Chris Mathews and MSNBC — an Inconvenient Untruth.

    ___________________________________

    The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices – Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

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    Chrissy Matthews
    March 12, 2009 – 08:05 ET by GeneralAl
    So! We don’t think that way anymore! Nope! We’ll just sit down with all our enemies and kiss their behinds! We’ll beg them not to attack us and promise to be nice. We’ll even pay them. I thought The Telepromter Messiah was a man of religion? Time and again in the Old Testament, God told his children to destroy his enemies. Chrissy has the audacity to ambush Ari and never let him finish a response! Where is “Give ’em Hell, Zell” when you need him? I remember Chrissy trying that nonsense with Zell Miller and losing! This just goes to show the determination of the left to hold a death grip on power in America. We need to be twice as determined to defeat them and we certainly cannot count on the RINOS to help. We have to purge our ranks of them as well. McCain’s daughter is out there trashing Ann Coulter and expressing a desire to move the GOP to the center. Does she not know that that is precisely what her old man did? Ari Fleischer represents a danger to Chrissy and his pals because if given the chance, he will refute once and for all the lies perpitrated by the Communist left the last eight years. The only way Chrissy can do this is to interrupt and distort words.I have to admit, Ari didn’t take much crap and eventually slugged it out with his female opponent. Perhaps thats why he held back in the beginning!

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    WOW!
    March 12, 2009 – 08:21 ET by jah313
    Ari Fleischer is brilliant! This is one the best interviews I have seen in a long time. He absolutely destroyed Matthews.

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    Hey Chrissy Mat
    March 12, 2009 – 08:34 ET by general company
    And the American people are happier, too. They are, I can assure you. We don`t like that thinking anymore in this country.

    Are these the people you are talking about?

    “Television is a freak show” Bernie Goldberg

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    That beady-eyed little
    March 12, 2009 – 11:00 ET by Texasteacher
    That beady-eyed little piece of s*** should not assume that he speaks for me. I am not happier that komrade obama is president and I hope he is impeached and removed from office before he screws things up more. I think crissy would get his best ratings if he’d just go hug a suicide bomber.

    obama’s notion of bi-partisanship is telling conservatives to shut up and do what he wants.

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    It’s surprising that Chris didn’t wipe his nose on his sleeve
    March 12, 2009 – 09:11 ET by ekslib
    He was producing much more phlegm and spittle than usual.

    ODE TO CHRIS or Eau d’Chris?

    Chris Matthews will rarely make sense,
    Perhaps ’cause his brain is too tense.
    As he spews forth ridiculous gaffes,
    He spits and he giggles and laughs.
    His guests sit FAR back, in defense.

    Ari was very fortunate that he was not in Chris’ studio.

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    Can someone explain…
    March 12, 2009 – 09:38 ET by StCroix64
    With the crappy ratings this guy gets and the fact that he has loss all journalistic responsibility, how he stays on the air?

    I used to watch him to laugh at him, now I find myself bitter. He is the poster child for a liberal. Complete know it all who thinks he knows whats better for me…I hate democrats…I really do.

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    That is the type of response
    March 12, 2009 – 10:05 ET by katiejane
    all Republicans shoud be giving to these idiots. Stop letting these partisan hacks control the discussion and twist the truth. Good job by Ari

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    As Bernie Goldberg said,
    March 12, 2009 – 10:35 ET by marpel
    As Bernie Goldberg said, Chris Matthews is just a Hooker for the left. I think Bernie was being kind because Chris is actually a Whore.

    Ari Fleischer should be named “Person of the Year”. I wish Ari would have been in the studio w/ that Creature. I would have loved to have seen Fleischer punch him in the face.

    What an A-hole Matthews is….and a Whore.

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    Look, Matthews is just
    March 12, 2009 – 10:43 ET by Smartypants
    Look, Matthews is just trying to appease his audience; there’s nothing stunning here. He’s a liberal and libs are, generally, classless and illogical. Nobody in their right mind gives Matthews one ounce of credibility. (When was the last time Matthews blamed anything on a Democrat?) What is more astounding to me is that anyone from Bush’s Administration would even go on this loser’s show. What is there to gain by trying to match wits with the witless?

    The most successful war America has ever waged is quickly becoming President Obama’s war on capitalism.

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    Well,
    March 12, 2009 – 10:49 ET by exLib
    It’s “good” to see that journalists haven’t really lost their “killer instinct”.

    All that venom pointed towards Bush and anyone who would dare defend him while he was President has now been re-directed towards….Bush and anyone who would dare defend him and his legacy.

    Because you know, you can’t attack BHO because we are in the “new era” where Barrack “Must Succeed”…..

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    Ari
    March 12, 2009 – 10:56 ET by Sprice2586
    Thank you Ari for being a man in front of the boy… I have great respect for your ability in face of the Goat.

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    chrissys tingle down his leg
    March 12, 2009 – 11:11 ET by tomolson3
    Hey chrissy, why is there a wet spot under your chair?? I guess tingles travel down hill when you pee yourself!!!!!!

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    The ratings are out for cable news…
    March 12, 2009 – 11:23 ET by jawebster1
    and according to the Drudge Report, Fox as usual leads the pack. Also rans include Maddow, Olbermann and Grace. Funny, I don’t see “Tingles” mentioned at all. Wonder why? Could it be because the only ones who watch his show are his friends, family, a handful of Drones and Monitors from NewsBusters? Jim Webster

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    Chrissy Matthews=douchebag
    March 12, 2009 – 11:57 ET by Glenn
    Chrissy Matthews=douchebag

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    Chris Matthews should be exiled from the U.S.
    March 12, 2009 – 12:08 ET by QueenMum
    I’d give anything for the opportunity to spit in Chris Matthew’s piggy face. I have not forgotten that on Sept. 12, 2001 Pres. G.W. Bush promised America that defending our country from terrorism would be the primary focus of his administration. And he kept that promise. The fact that Matthews can’t find even a scintilla of gratitude in his so-called heart, because he continues to be obsessed with destroying Pres. Bush, makes me furious that today in America someone can actually get payed for spewing what amounts to propaganda for the enemy.

    Ari was great. It was delightful to see the periods of time that Matthews was obviously so taken aback that he could do nothing more than repeat the same talking points – as if he could cover up his stupidity by doing so.

    Note to Chris Matthews: You don’t speak for this American.

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    QM… That is exactly
    March 12, 2009 – 15:03 ET by bigtimer
    QM…

    That is exactly what I found so delicious….Matthews being silenced for a few seconds here and there, like you said, taken aback…it was a site to see, I loved it all…so glad I caught it live for a change, since I am just now being able to stand to watch these shows anymore…but when I saw it was Ari…in the words of Mark Levin…

    ….Boy Howdy!

    This is twice Ari has cleaned his clock, with class.

    You are right…he doesn’t speak for this american either…the dems all say that….as if it is a given.

    …NOT!

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    Creaton
    March 12, 2009 – 12:36 ET by maxvolt
    Its one thing for Chris matthews to have a differnt view point, but when someone hears your viewpoint,as Chris heard Ari’s, then openly and dishonestly distorts the viewpoint in front of Ari…not only is the person distorting shown to be a fool, but a dishonorable person. Im sure there are folks out there coming down on both sides of this interview, but here is something that is indisputable, if you were on the pro-Chris Matthews side, you had to check your ethics at the door to get there. Clearly Chris Matthews is a dishonorable citizen. We have all sorts of low lifes in our country (naturally)crooks, murderors, rapists, traitors and dishonorable creatons…they all deserve the same treatment from society, they should be locked up and shunned. Im embarrassed to say Chris Matthews is an American. Im even more embarrassed to KNOW, that a dishonorable person like Chris Matthews once, somehow served this nation in Government. We must keep these disgusting, self serving egotists out. I wont shed a tear the day this guy goes to meet his maker (which judging by his physical appearance wont be long), and you can be sure Chris will not try that crap on his maker..either way, this dude is toast…really skeevy kind of guy. Im surprised him and Olbermann dont get along..they are cut from the same filthy toilet paper.

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    Anyone who respects
    March 12, 2009 – 13:11 ET by buddyc
    Anyone who respects journalism should boycott Olberman and Mathews. No conservative or republican should cry about how they are treated on that show.

    At least Olberaman knows he is a biased entertainer. Mathews is toooooo stupid to know he is biased.

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    buddy: It’s really rather
    March 12, 2009 – 15:17 ET by QueenMum
    buddy: It’s really rather curious that Fleischer got tapped for a Matthews interview. Ari has always been consistent and cool under fire. Matthews was clearly outwitted and made to look the fool. His closing comments amounted to nothing more than childish pique at having been soundly bested by a real professional.

    Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage’s whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. – Ayn Rand

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    1998 PDD [Clinton’s] Bin Laden preparing to .. attacks in the US
    March 12, 2009 – 15:02 ET by Gary Hall
    Suppose – why suppose?

    MATTHEWS: Suppose you knew that a Democratic president had .. had gotten a presidential memo, a daily presidential briefing that said, al Qaeda to attack within the United States..

    Suppose? We did Chris Matthews:

    PDD received by Pres Clinton, Dec. 4th, 1998

    Subject: Bin Laden preparing to … attacks in the US

    It says that in 1998, the plans were fully completed .. just on hold..

    I don’t remember any orange or red warning to the public.

    What the Republican’s can’t do – Ari is doing great here – but the Bush administration just did not communicate needed history – and the MSM had no interest in it, anyway.

    (;~/ gary

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    Hi Gary… That is what I
    March 12, 2009 – 15:11 ET by bigtimer
    Hi Gary…

    That is what I found so frustrating with the Bush administration too…he needed to use the bully-pulpit more often and with vigor…he just never did it, when he did attempt to make a point on something very relevant to what was going on at the time, which was seldom…he always lacked the vigor needed, he was immediately ignored by the msm, they went on with their other stories if it was during the day…it was infuriating what the leftist got away with, and the msm complied…of course.

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    Hey bt.. indeed
    March 12, 2009 – 15:33 ET by Gary Hall
    ..Ari does better here than any single member of the Bush admin. that I can remember.. but just the same.. rebuttals with the facts were so few and far between – that how could he even come up with them off the cuff. The country should know all this material – should have been fully disclosed and openly discussed by all. Read my next one — on the “nuclur” threat … hee hee. gary

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    Gary… You have no idea
    March 12, 2009 – 15:41 ET by bigtimer
    Gary…

    You have no idea how much I wished Ari was running the RNC…since he isn’t, I hope he runs for something!

    We need him!

    This is the second time now I have had the luck to catch him live creaming people with such class it has been a thing of beauty to behold…since it is such a rarity from the repub side of the aisle…unfortunately.

    Now I am on to your other post… 😉

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    The sad Matthews case
    March 12, 2009 – 16:00 ET by slickwillie2001
    I don’t understand what Matthews has done to himself in a career sense. At one time, maybe twelve or fifteen years ago, he was widely respected as a journalist. He could have taken over as news anchor when someone like Dan Rather retired. He was as respected as Russert. Now he’s just a clown, not much different from any of the current crop of political-comedians. Doesn’t he have a mentor, or a father, or a media-connected wife that could have straightened him out? It’s sad in a way.

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    Iraq – the nuclear threat.. so says the Democrats
    March 12, 2009 – 15:29 ET by Gary Hall
    MATTHEWS: Even though you corrected the record afterwards and said that they made a dishonest argument that

  16. Micky 2 says:

    And heres another one where everyone is asking why Matthews didnt call Ari on his statement.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/ari-fleischer-battles-chr_n_174082.html

    Its either because Matthews knew what Ari meant or Matthews is not the great journalist you say he is. RIGHT ?
    I mean hell, thats what Matthews is supoposed to do right ? Shouldnt he be telling Ari;

    “Wait a minute ! Are you trying to tell me and everyone that it was Saddam who attacked us on 911?

    And even everyone on the thread asks the same questions I do.

    You blew it Jersey.
    Theres no evidence to support your claim that Ari said such a thing because no one took him to task on it.

    If anything, the more credible argument that should be coming out of your mouth is that Ari was trying to connect Sadam to 911. I could swallow someone trying to make that argument \on behalf of Aris statement.
    Of course that connection has even been discounted by Bush alrerady so why would Ari still say it ?

    Anyway, unless you answer my questions were done.
    Its been tiring, probably embarassing for Eric as well as me to put so much energy into such a pedantic and useless issue .

    The only intent was to prove to you why debate with you is so wrong and pointless because your hatred has blinded you to any assemblence of truth o reality.
    You dont care about making our country better.
    Its evident and plain to see from any logical perspective that you jusat want to win pi$$ing contests wuth conservatives and will say and do anything at the risk of your dignity to win.
    Even defend bold faced lies with more lies.

    You need to learn the difference between your opinion and what is undeniable fact. You need to learn that no matter how much you may think something is true, you only look like a big liar when you propel those supposed truths and can never prove them. You cannot be taken seriously.

    When theres a majority that doesnt reflect the same syayements as you and you can answer the questionsa in the redutal you’re almost always being busted lying.
    I want to make this a better place for my wife and kids. I dont want to huniliate anyone out of pride or some sense of gratification. I want logical discussions that will lead to compromise and answers.
    This is nearly impossible to do with people like you because almost always mid term thru the conversation you start saying inflamatory sh*t that you cant prove and has little to do with the agenda of fixing the problem.
    Instead its always “blame blame blame hate hate lie lie lie invective porovocational crap”

    So what if you prove that Ari said and meant such a thing ?
    So what if you think Al Queda came after us solely because of Bush ?
    So what if you think that nothing any conservative has done was right and that Bush was a total complete utter abject failure ?

    If you prove all that, wgere did it get you ?

    A bettr leader, more people fed, housed, employed ?

    You criticism should be launched at those who are running the show, tjhose in charge, those who are set with the task of doing everyuthing you say you want.
    But no ! Its just too damn painfull to actualy go after the guy whos holding the reins right now, isnt it ????
    Going back, rewriting history and pi$$ing on every con you can is not going to help us today or in the fuiture, is it ?
    If you truly want progress and all the generic things that America says it wants, needs, and is entitle to under the constitution then you’ll stop what you’re doing and go after the guys who actually at this point in time (RIGHT NOW) are in charge and actually capable, have the power, to make those cjanges.
    You go ahead, you keep up your snide little attacks and lies on the past or anything connected to the right and see just how fricken far it gets you.
    Believe me, if you put half the energy into demanding Obama step up to the plate as you do promoting hate for the right you might actually get something done.
    Its like the junkie who sits around and mopes and grumbles about how hard life is and blames everyone for his past.
    If he put half as much energy into making his sober life work as he did looking for dope he could rule the world.
    If you put half your hate energy into productive energy you’d find yourself in less of these embarassing situations with me and a member of a happier more productive society instead.

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