At the 2009 Republican Jewish Coalition winter leadership meeting in Fort Lauderdale, I had the pleasure of meeting Congressman Eric Cantor of Virginia.
http://www.rjchq.org/Multimedia/multimediadetail.aspx?id=0c20aece-925b-4c35-9fa4-a5914324743e
Eric Cantor is the House Minority Whip, which makes him the second most powerful Republican in the house behind the Minority Leader.
Given that the entire existence of the Democratic Party is held together by despising Republicans, they are struggling to find a new conservative demon. President George W. Bush is gone, and liberals were suicidal until their leaders instructed the leftist lemmings to go back to hating Rush Limbaugh. Yet he has no policy role, and besides, hating white conservatives is boring. Hating and trying to destroy minority conservatives keeps Democrats from folding altogether. Michael Steele and Sarah Palin are examples, but again, they do not make policy.
Therefore, Eric Cantor is now public enemy # 1. He is a Jewish conservative in a country where leftists do not tolerate minorities to be anything other than liberal. Yet Congressman Cantor is tough. He knows the arrows are out for him, and he is prepared.
While much of RJC Conference was strictly about policy, Congressman Cantor was there to fire up the crowd with a giant helping of political (kosher) red meat.
With that, I bring the fire of one of the great Jewish Republicans in America, Congressman Eric Cantor.
(after a very friendly introduction)
“I am glad my wife was here to hear all of those nice things.”
“The GOP went native. We built a bridge to nowhere.”
“We must not take the wrong message from our losses at the polls.”
“Contrary to Newsweek, Americans have not gone Socialist. By a margin of 40% to 20%, people call themselves conservatives vs. liberals.”
“President Obama talks about the DOW like it is a political tracking poll.”
“He makes a new blunder every week. The stimulus package was put online by Nancy Pelosi at 2am. We see the results of that type of leadership.”
“If President Obama and Rahm Emanuel spent more time on the economy than they did attacking Rush Limbaugh, we would all be better off.”
“We as Republicans must not and should not abandon the principles of limited government, free markets, and a strong national defense.”
“We are the Party of Ronald Reagan, who was an intellectual and an innovator. Yet we cannot live in the past.”
“Reagan was conservative, but his policies were relevant to what people were going through at that time.”
“Right now welfare and crime are not the greatest issues. Taxes and spending will always be important.”
“Our candidates cannot be seen as threatening the mainstream of our country.”
“Don’t just speak in ideological terms. We must communicate a vision.”
“We don’t and shouldn’t embrace Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, but we must have counter proposals.”
“On health care, the issue is choice. Rahm Emanuel’s brother Zeke is in charge of a health care board. We should choose our doctors, not him.”
“70% of jobs come from small businesses, entrepreneurs, and the self-employed. We need to show them that the future of the GOP affects the future of America, which afects the future of our youth.”
“(Ohio State Rep) Josh Mandel and (Florida House Majority Leader) Adam Hasner (both solid Jewish Republicans) are taking our message to the entire country.”
“We must combat President Obama on his plans by asking the youth of America one question. Who will pay for all of this? My GOP teammates get that.”
“The Democratic budget spends too much, taxes too much, and borrows too much.”
“Before students pay their college loans, their share of the deficit will be $75,000 and climbing.”
“I am the product of immigrants. My grandmother came from Russia and worked seven days a week. Nowhere else on Earth could she help me reach the American dream.”
After a rousing standing ovation, I did get a chance to speak with Congressman Cantor for a few minutes. I thanked him for his leadership, and he thanked me for blogging. As a fairly young man, he clearly understands the importance of the new media. At some point I will interview him.
I expressed concern that as a Jewish conservative, that he would be next on the target list. He let me know that the hate campaign has already started against him, and that he is well prepared. He is not one to roll over for the sake of comity. Whips are tough, and Congressman Cantor is ready to hit back hard when necessary.
The last thing I told him was that even though he may be prepared, I would keep him and his family in my prayers. He thanked me for that.
Unlike some politicians that quickly duck out of the room, he stayed for quite some time. After all, he is a Jewish Republican. He was among friends.
He is an inspiration for Jewish Republicans everywhere. For the rest, America is lucky to have his service.
May God Bless Congressman Eric Cantor always, politically and in life.
eric
“Contrary to Newsweek, Americans have not gone Socialist. By a margin of 40% to 20%, people call themselves conservatives vs. liberals.”
This does not get to party affiliation, however. Here’s an interesting study from ’07 that breaks down the dynamices of “conservative, moderate, and liberal” positions by party: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/24_are_both_fiscal_and_socially_conservatives_9_fiscally_and_socially_liberal
It’s much more complicated than what he says. Just because Americans consider themselves “conservative” or “liberal” does not mean they are necessarily going to vote for one party pr the other.
“President Obama talks about the DOW like it is a political tracking poll.”
No, that’s how Repulicans talk about the DOW.
“If President Obama and Rahm Emanuel spent more time on the economy than they did attacking Rush Limbaugh, we would all be better off.”
If Republicans had a clear leader, Rush Limbaugh wouldn’t be an issue. In the meantime, attacking Limbaugh is brilliant political strategy – and doesn’t take much “time” at all.
“Right now welfare and crime are not the greatest issues. Taxes and spending will always be important.”
Thanks to eight years of unmitigated failure, welafare and crime sure are going to be important issues!
“We don’t and shouldn’t embrace Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, but we must have counter proposals.”
True.
“On health care, the issue is choice. …”
No. That’s just the lie propageted by the GOP. The issue is COST, and anyone who thinks otherwise is either rich, enjoys excellent benefits, or is an idiot. Most Americans want universal healthcare, and more and more of scorpoate America is leaning that way. The days of cannibalizing on America’s sick are coming to an end. Dinosaurs like Cantor will be left behind.
“(Ohio State Rep) Josh Mandel and (Florida House Majority Leader) Adam Hasner (both solid Jewish Republicans) are taking our message to the entire country.”
LOL! Those guys have less name recognition than mayor of Goofusville, Nowhereland.
“Before students pay their college loans, their share of the deficit will be $75,000 and climbing.”
That’s an absurd lie. Besides, AFTER students graduate, that won’t even be the total of their student loans!
“I am the product of immigrants. My grandmother came from Russia and worked seven days a week. Nowhere else on Earth could she help me reach the American dream.”
I agree. You can’t live the “American Dream” in Denmark.
JMJ
I am a registered Democrat., but I did NOT vote for Barbara Boxer in the last election for California Senator. I voted for Diane Feinstein, even though I admit to not being totally overwhelmed by her. I voted for
Gray Davis.
Contrary to the voting patterns by my co-religionists here in California, I voted for the Republican candidates at the top of the ticket , in the past three elections. I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, and even more so today, believe they were RIGHT for the country. I was unconcerned about Sarah Palin’s daughter or her membership in the NRA. I own a gun.
I like Obama and wish him well. But I disagree with virtually everything
he represents.
He is a center left advocate. He is a defeatist and appeaser on matters of foreign policy, OR, his policies are essentially wrong, most especially in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
We were right in getting rid of the Taliban who encouraged, and gave
refuge for Al Qaeda. We helped the Northern Alliance. We were right then. We are wrong now in intervening. We should be pulling our forces OUT of
Afghanistan, not expanding them. We should however strengthening the Afghan miliary and police to defend their country.
The Taliban demand on the sale of heroin. Destory the incentive
to produce and sell heroin, and the world will see their demise.
However, if the Muslims want Sharia law (allowing hands to be cut
off for stealing, then why should I care?).
We should not be financing Pakistan, but enabling the moderate government there with weapons to fight their own extremists. If we want a counter to their brand of extremists…the natural enemy is right next door. It’s called India.
We should NOT be talking to Iran, or Syira, or reaching out to Hamas,
Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, as long as they are openly against Israel’s existence by word and deed. We are legitimizing their militancy and penchant for violence
against the Jewish state by reaching out to them. We
should encourage the right in Israeli politics..and support it’s new government at the US, EU, and with arms to protect the country. We should be supplying Israel with bunker busters and those F-22 warplanes
If Israel engages Hezbollah and Hamas, we should not intervene.
I am against socialized medicne and financing it through higher
taxation of those people who succeeded. I am against competing with private insurance companies using government funds for a one payer system. No medical decision must ever be made by bureaucrats, but
between the patient and the doctor.
True, there is a government medical system for government workers and retirees. But they contributed throughout their employment to this system and pay for govenrment insurance.
I want less govenment in our school system, not more. No child left
behind is a farce and bad for our children., as these past few years have
shown. Individual state exams should be encouraged however, similar
to the NYState Regents to set standards. Closing schools for bad performance punishes teachers for the dysfunctional homes of
so many students. Students who drop out prior to graduation should
be hit with the costs incurred to educate them, like school construction
and school bonds.
I do not want liberal activist judges and am against financing
stem cell research at the Federal level. To date, not one research
project has been productive. Can ayone think of even one?
I do not want my children and grandchildren to pay interest on
bloated Federal programs forever.
I am for revising the social security and medicare programs, entitlements
which should take priority over the Obama agenda for failure.
I want both Jews and Christians to tell our legislators to reduce government involvement at the Federal level.
I do not want Jews and Christians, blacks, Hispanics and Asians
in the pockets of one political party. These parties shodl earn our
loyalty and support, not be given to them on a silver platter.
More later.
“No, that’s how Repulicans talk about the DOW.
So what ?
Obama still uses it as some kind of guage to his progres, or lack of.
“This does not get to party affiliation, however. Here’s an interesting study from ‘07 that breaks down the dynamices of “conservative, moderate, and liberal” positions by party: ”
Sooo…
Does that mean the country “has” gone socialist ?
I think what the congressman was trying to say is that the country is not buying into Obamas socialist policies.
What we indentfy with or how we vote regarding that, has little if anything to do with the congressmans point.
“If Republicans had a clear leader, Rush Limbaugh wouldn’t be an issue. In the meantime, attacking Limbaugh is brilliant political strategy – and doesn’t take much “time” at all.”
Whether we have a leader or not Obama knew that Rush hit it on the nail and felt he had to do some sort of damage control by telling people not to listen to him.
Obama is the one who made it an issue by reacting to Rush.
Hes the POTUS, he shouldnt be reacting to Rush. Rush is a talk show host, he should be reacting to Obama, thats what he does.
As far as leaders go, the rumor is that its not Obama.
“Thanks to eight years of unmitigated failure, welafare and crime sure are going to be important issues!”
Yea, so we’ll do what FDR did and just soak all of society with entitlements while creating no jobs till the fed goes broke.
This is Obamas baby now buddy, the ole blame Bush crap just doesnt fly anymore.
Heh, Even the big spending socialist in Europe are telling Obama hes spending too much
Had more of this money gone to the people last month it probably would of arrived by now and liberals who are waitng with baited breath only to be let down do far wouldnt be contemplating going to the food stamp office or robbing a bank.
Tell me, a year from now when things arent much better are we still gonna hear all about this “unmitigated failure” and crap ?
“No. That’s just the lie propageted by the GOP. The issue is COST, and anyone who thinks otherwise is either rich, enjoys excellent benefits, or is an idiot.”
People dont want universal forced on them, they want a choice.
If you look at the many different approachs to universal people DO NOT want an all inclusive government run health care system.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9460
“But while Americans seem to want some kind of reform, most have no idea what kind. A 2007 Gallup Poll showed more than half of Americans support every suggested health care reform, from the most market-oriented policies to total government control, even when those policies were mutually exclusive. More than half of voters said yes to a government-run single-payer system. But an even larger majority – more than 77 percent – favored “reducing government regulation of insurance.”
Poll numbers seem to argue in favor of proposals for a radical overhaul of the system, but candidates should be wary of going too far – particularly if their proposals appear to threaten the insurance coverage people have today. Because while voters are critical of the system as a whole, they tend to be much happier with their own care. Another Gallup Poll, taken last December, shows that 88 percent of Americans believe the quality of their own care is “good” or “excellent,” and 70 percent believe the same of their own insurance coverage. ”
“That’s an absurd lie. Besides, AFTER students graduate, that won’t even be the total of their student loans!”
he wasnt talking just about the loans.
ya know theres this huge bill of over 5 trillion dollars Obama just slapped them with ?
Nice try.
jeez.
Dan Lev,
Why the heck are you a “registered Democrat”??? You are to “registered Democrat” what Three’s Comapny is to high-brow comedy. Either you are NOT a resgistered Democrat, or you’re a little on comletely insane side.
“He is a defeatist and appeaser on matters of foreign policy, OR, his policies are essentially wrong, most especially in Afghanistan and Pakistan.”
“Defeatist and appeaser” of what? The banks? “OR”??? Whay would you put and “OR” there?
“We were right in getting rid of the Taliban…”
What???? Where have you been??? We did NOT get “rid” of the Taliban! They are alive and well and expanding as we write! Sounds to me like YOU are the “defeatest and appeaser” to them!
Everything else you wrote is purile conservative claptrap. Most people WANT universal healthcare. The whole “activist judes” thing is pure b&^^%$#T. Avoiding so much as talking with our supposed enemies is stupid. If Israel wants us to stay out of our business then they should stay out of our wallets – and Washington DC. Charging students who drop out of school is insanely stupid.
Just come out and admit you are NOT a Democrat and you’ll come off much more believable. This isn’t a call-in radio show, ya’ know.
Micky,
I’ve never heard Obama use the DOW for anything beyond simply mentioning the mess it’s showing. It’s you rightwingnuts who constantly tout the DOW as the measurement of the country’s well-being – and it’s most certainly NOT.
Americans are probably less socialistic than most other people. I think I know why, and it’s complicated, but suffice to say it seems to be a part of our cultural make-up. On the other hand, we are not a nation of idiotic libertarians, either. We are a unique mix of socialist, capitalist, libertarian and authoritarian – just like everyone else. But for years now, polls have shown that most Americans do want at least some kind of universal healthcare.
Obama is just as much, if not more, the leader of the Dems as Bush was of the GOP. Now the GOP has no one of note. Palin does herself in and needs no further attention. McCain has been marginalized. Rush just keeps spewing his hatred, insecurity and stupidity, enjoys a huge audience, and is the perfect target to remind everyone of what the GOP is really all about. Obama and Co are brilliant with this. They should keep it up as long as they can.
FDR was perhaps the greatest preisdent in our history. He rescued this nation and much of the world. This sleazy, creepy, ignorant, phony, stupid, scummy rewriting of history that the right has been trying to pull of lately, blaming FDR for the Great Depression, is about the lowest thing I’ve ever seen. They are taking advantage of the dying off of the FDR generation so they can lie about it and it’s sickening.
“People dont want universal forced on them, they want a choice.”
This is sooooooo sleazy. For starters, most peple DON’T have a “choice” as it is now! Secondly, there’s no reason we couldn’t have complete and total choice in every way and still have universal healthcare.
“ya know theres this huge bill of over 5 trillion dollars Obama just slapped them with?”
That’s a lie.
JMJ
“It’s you rightwingnuts who constantly tout the DOW as the measurement of the country’s well-being – and it’s most certainly NOT.”
Yea !
You can say that again !
JMJs First rendition;
“Most Americans want universal healthcare,
JMJs second rendition;
“shown that most Americans do want at least some kind of universal healthcare.”
Oh, I see, after I make my point you start moving your claim over to “SOME KIND” of universal health care.
Thats right ! They do ! But not an all inclusive totally fed run system like I said !!
“Obama and Co are brilliant with this. They should keep it up as long as they can.”
If they spent anymore time on him it would destroy his image in the liberal
Yea right, you wish.
If Bush went after every pundit or op ed that nailed him you’d say he was acting a fool but not with Obama right ?
Telling you man, if you didnt notice, Rush got a hell of a lot more mileage out of that than Obama did.
Obama just looked like a whining little baby, thats why he wont do it any more.
Watch, I’m right, if he goes after Rush again, I’m wrong. So far, I’m right.
“FDR was perhaps the greatest preisdent in our history. He rescued this nation and much of the world. This sleazy, creepy, ignorant, phony, stupid, scummy rewriting of history that the right has been trying to pull of lately, blaming FDR for the Great Depression,”
ya see, its you re writing things.
I never blamed him for the depression.
What I and most cons are saying is that the measures he used much like Obamas only made it worse.
Thats a fact Jack !
“This is sooooooo sleazy. For starters, most peple DON’T have a “choice” as it is now! ”
Yea, all I said was that they want a choice besides an all inclusive totally fed run system.
So whats your point ?
“ya know theres this huge bill of over 5 trillion dollars Obama just slapped them with?”
That’s a lie.”
How so ? Prove it.
Whos gonna pay off this deficit that is projected to be between 10 and 8 trillion in ten years ???
“But not an all inclusive totally fed run system like I said !!”
Micky, “all inclusive” means universal. Ans secondly, no one is proposing a “toally fed run system.” That is a lie.
Going after Rush was brilliant. Rush must be shown to be what the GOP is really all about – and that’s one ugly picture. Guys like Eric Cantor are trying to capture the spotlight, but thus far he’s been unsuccessful. Part of the reason for that is that the GOP has absolutely nothing new whatsoever to offer.
FDR did not make the depression worse. That is a lie. he inherited the Depression when it was already 3 1/2 years on. It was Hoover and the GOP that made the Depression worse. Also, FDR did not have the social safety nets that we have today to mitigate the effects of severe economic downturn. he had to invent them and put them in place. That took years. this rewriting of history that you historically illiterate cons are trying to pull is disgusting and you all should be ashamed of yourselves. You don;t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about.
“Yea, all I said was that they want a choice besides an all inclusive totally fed run system.”
Again, the whole “choice” thing and the “totally fed run” thing are lies. No one is proposing eliminating choice or have the federal gov’t totally run the system. Only a liar would say otherwise. Please be above that.
I can’t prove a negative. Obama did not impose a new 5 trillion dollar debt, and no one is currently inheriting a 75,000 dollar deficit debt. those are both lies.
JMJ
And I’m sorry guys, but lies are lies. I hate to use the word “lie” but when the shoe fits… In an adult debate it is up to the person proporting something to prove that it is so, not the person refuting it. Otherwise, you guys are just making stuff up – and that’s the same thing as lying. I’m just calling it what it is.
JMJ
Neil Cavuto of FBN on Imus in the Morning, this morning, we should be following the Swedish Model:)
Neil Cavuto SAABing to Imus.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/04/neil-cavuto-saabing-to-imus.html
“Micky, “all inclusive” means universal. And secondly, no one is proposing a “totally fed run system.” That is a lie.”
You mean like in (” Universal health care ?) whats your point ? The word is spot on and you critisize it ? Duh.
Ya know what, its really hard to take you seriously when you make such broad unsubstantiated statements such as “its a lie” with nothing to back it up.
Oh, okay, he said its a lie so it must be,
Here you go with the pedantic crap again.
Not only does “inclusive” have mathematical applications its also used in meaning everyone under the sun and also all properties under the sun.
That would be fitting in my saying people dont want universal (which means everything under the sun) heath care run by the fed for all the people.
First you laid down one term saying everyone wanted “universal health care”.
My research tells me thats not true and so upon revealing this to you your description changed to “some kind of universal health care” which means you really dont know what you’re talking about as your answers will tend to flex depending on whats presented to you, its called weasling.
” Who has the best chance of keeping health care costs down and quality of medical care up: the federal government or the private sector? ”
40% Federal government
42% Private sector
18% Not sure
http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20090302/pl_rasmussen/healthcare20090302
So you see jersey, most people dont want the fed dealing in health insurance or “universal health care”.
And since you say its the cost they’re so concerned with it looks like they dont think Obama can keep it down
“The Obama Administration is considering the establishment of a government-run health insurance program to make sure that most people are insured.”
WHOA !!! Did that say “most people will be insured by “GOVERNMENT RUN INSURANCE PROGRAM” ??
” But 43% of voters say the quality of health care in America will get worse if a government-run health insurance plan is created to compete with private plans”.
Okay Jersey, that’s a lot better than me just having to listen to you flap yer gums and take your word for things.
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Now, heres the killer.
JMJ;
“In an adult debate it is up to the person proporting something to prove that it is so, not the person refuting it.”
JMJ;
“Most Americans want universal healthcare, and more and more of scorpoate America is leaning that way.”
Okay, prove it, I did my part even though originally it was upon you, according to your rules, you came into this with the first proporting that “most americans want universal health care” Right ?
So get busy buddy, stand behind your own word and prove it like you said you should.
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The same thing applies to this statement. You made the proporting, its on you to prove it
JMJ;
“That’s an absurd lie. Besides, AFTER students graduate, that won’t even be the total of their student loans!”
To top it off I already asked you whos going to pay the deficit. Also, the CBO says it’ll be between 8 and 10 trillion in 2019.
Are the students not part of the future generations that will have to pay down the debt ? Wont anyone paying taxes 10 years from now be helping to pay down this debt ?
How am I lying and please tell me how students will be exempt from this catastrophic debt/deficit ?
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As far as FDR goes I’ll stick with the popular concensus that it was FDR who prolonged the depression while making it worse. I’ll take my notes from Newt Gingrich before I take them from you, hes a far greater historian than you will ever be.
“Yet after all this, the grand promise of an end to the suffering was never fulfilled. As the state sector drained the private sector, controlling it in alarming detail, the economy continued to wallow in depression. The combined impact of Herbert Hoover’s and Roosevelt’s interventions meant that the market was never allowed to correct itself. Far from having gotten us out of the Depression, FDR prolonged and deepened it, and brought unnecessary suffering to millions. ”
For you to say that I dont have the slightest clue what I’m talking about is just another one of your quick escape methods because you know if we got into it there are plenty of verifiable facts out there that would prove me right.
Simple laymen know that by FDR introducing the programs he thought were going to fix the problem actually made it worse. many of those solutions are exactly what Obama is doing today, and things are getting worse.
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“Again, the whole “choice” thing and the “totally fed run” thing are lies. No one is proposing eliminating choice or have the federal gov’t totally run the system. Only a liar would say otherwise. Please be above that.”
Look jersey. Whoever doesnt have health insurance that recieves it under Obamas plan will be answering to the fed. Period.
Those who want to maintain what they got may do so. That implies that there are choices people want. Period.
To say its a lie that people dont want a choice sounds almost Maoist or Stalanist. Of course people want choice, what the hell are you talking about ?
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“I can’t prove a negative. Obama did not impose a new 5 trillion dollar debt, and no one is currently inheriting a 75,000 dollar deficit debt. those are both lies.”
Once again, its really on you, you made the claim originally in the first post.
“an analysis from the Congressional Budget Office, released on March 20. The CBO, a nonpartisan arm of Congress, projects that the national debt will go from $5.8 trillion in 2008 to $11.8 trillion by the end of 2013; and to $17.3 trillion in 2019. By that count, Gregg’s claim of doubling the debt in five years, tripling it in 10 years, is correct. But we think that’s a little unfair.”
Yes, it very well could be since there are some partisan factors to take into account but still, even when you apply a margin of error along with not being able to tell the future WOULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE HELL OUR KIDS WILL BE EXEMPT FROM PAYING OFF THE DEFICIT ?
AND CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY IT WONT BE IN THE TRILLIONS ???
NOT THAT IT ISNT ALREADY ???
What would the students be inheriting Jersey ? How much ? I’ve heard 60,000.00 from dems, wanna split the difference ? Meet halfway ?
That’s still too much buddy.
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“And I’m sorry guys, but lies are lies. I hate to use the word “lie” but when the shoe fits… In an adult debate it is up to the person proporting something to prove that it is so,”
You got yer frickin nerve ! You know that ? What a hypocrite man, what a hypocrite.
I’ve never had to ask anyone for proof of truth more in my life than I have you.
You have constantly made allegations and claims you could never prove.
The list is freaking humongous bro !!!!
Sit down and take a humility pill bro and take a look in the mirror.
What an insult that was to anyone with half a brain to have to have that huge stinkin line of sanctimonious crap thrown at them
Bye the way, since you’re the one “proporting” that people are “lying” is it not upon you to prove it instead of us just having to take your word for it ?
Its like this, you were first on the thread with your claims and yet you have not brought on one solid piece of reliable reference to back up anything you say.
What a trip man, you’re unreal
Micky, you obviously have no idea about any of the universal healthcare options we have. In all realistic scenarios, we’d keep the insurnace companies – after all, someone has to do the claims processing, equalization, rating and so forth. We do that now! GEICO handles the federal government, fo example. AARP handles a large amount of the Medicare, fo another example. Someone has to do the actual work on that end, and in no scenarios I’ve heard would it be the government. So, the government wouldn’t be “running” anything – they’d simply be paying the premiums. Meanwhile, insurnace companies would basically become INSURANCE COMPANIES, which is really all they’re supposed to be in the first place. The system we have now, where insurance companies are mostly heavily leveraged investment houses, would end, and insurance companies would go back to doing the work they were always supped to be doing in the first place – INSURING. This is how most countries do it. And these companies would competitively bid for coverage contracts and would be auditted for satisfaction by private third party auditors, which we barely have now.
Why don’t you try learning about it rather than just lying. Of course people will answer a stupid, sleazy, lying poll question like “do you want the government RUN healthcare?,” with a “no.” Here’s an indepth poll of what people think about healthcare and what shouold be done about it: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/CBSNews_polls/health_care.pdf – by a large majority, most Americans want healthcare GUARANTEED for ALL. That is all universal healthcare really is, so please stop lying about it. It’s people like you, constantly lying about it, that are keeping us from having a cost efficient and effective healthcare system, because you’re insanely naive enough to believe that the private sector has your best health interest at heart – and that’s just plain stupid.
“To top it off I already asked you whos going to pay the deficit. Also, the CBO says it’ll be between 8 and 10 trillion in 2019.”
The CBO does NOT say that, Micky. Learn the diffence between the DEFICIT and the DEBT. Even then, the per capita share of the nation debt would be 30,000 – which is still an awful lot in and of itself. there’s really no need to lie about that. And by the way, that CBO projection puts the debt at right around what that sleazy Bush and the Republicans LEFT WITH US.
“As far as FDR goes I’ll stick with the popular concensus that it was FDR who prolonged the depression while making it worse.”
LOL! The only “popular concensus” about that is among the idiots on Fox “News.”
I stand by what I said about the lying. Making stuff up is the same as lying.
JMJ
“Micky, you obviously have no idea about any of the universal healthcare options we have. In all realistic scenarios, we’d keep the insurnace companies -”
You obviously have no idea what I know and what I dont, but of course what else would I expect from you ?
I’m well aware of all the options Jersey.
The bottom line is this, its not the governments duty to see that I or you have health care. Where in the constitution does it say that I’m “GUARANTEED” health care ? HUH ?
I dont some stinking run down or lesson from you on how the system works, K sonny ? I’ve raised a family and run my own business and am more aware of how it works than you probably ever will be.
The bottom line is this.
The 47% that dont have health care about 10 % them arent even Americans as it is and I’m not paying for thier drugs, got it ?
The remainder of those new accounts or existing ones that will be supplemented will be subjected to the funding going thru the feds fingers.
Add on to that the data base Obama wants that everyone thinks is such a good idea and then you throw in that BS CHIP plan that just goy=t passed and before you know it you’ll see the majority of the country answering to the fed everytime they need a bandaid. Weve already got 28 year olds on the CHIP who make 68,000.00 a year.
Its all the perfect storm. The peices you need to slap it all together one day and have totally fed run health care are almost all in place.
I do not want the fed having access to my bedical records so they can disqualify me for what they determine to be pre existing condition, I want my privacy also.
Everything else you’re talking about concerning supplementing those with existing policies and bla bla bla is just a distraction to keep your eye off the ball.
If Obama has everyone dependent on fed health care hes gotcha all by the balls come next election.
Everything you just rambled off is a perfect example of the one dimensional thinker that is swallowing all of this up in glee or better known as an “Obamabot”.
Read between the lines, look at all the peices and players and… oh what the hell am I saying, you probably know all this because its guys like you who want see the most dangerous man ever in the white house return in 2012.
“, because you’re insanely naive enough to believe that the private sector has your best health interest at heart – and that’s just plain stupid.”
hey, the private sector has done me just fine for what I pay, their interest is to make money, and it shoulod be, thats what makes one doctor want to be beter than the next and keeps em competeing so we have a progressice flow of inovations.
So.. tell me, does the federal government really have my health at its best interest ????????? Hahahaha.
And you call me stupid ?
You might wanna ponder over that for a sec.
JMJ;
“The CBO does NOT say that, Micky.
Really ? Gee, thats not what almost the whole world said it says !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Read the whole report here and then stop calling everyone stupid and a liar who see things differently unless you can prove them.
AT LEAST STAND BEHIND YOUR OWN CRAP !!!
Tax collections, meanwhile, would lag well behind spending, producing huge annual budget deficits that would force the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade — $2.3 trillion more than the president predicted when he unveiled his budget request just one month ago. ”
Borrow 9.3 trillion ? Gee, that sounds an awful lot like a debt to me, I dont care how you spin it and I’ve been called a mathematical genius, honstly.
I do problems in my head that most people need calculators to do, I’m not shi^^ing you ! And I can safely tell you that deficit is a debt until its made up somehow. If that deficit is what we will be short on in meeting our bneeds then it becomes debt to that deficit. It needs to be paid by a product or something holmes !
Besides that, my numbers are correct and I dont want to hear any crap about Bush, we actually had wars to fight and cities to fix cuz of hurricanes and 911 screwing up the economy and BUsh wasnt perfect but he didnt rack all that up in 90 DAYS !!!
Yea, you can stick by your ridiculous FDR beliefs only cuz it suits your purpose.
God forbid you and Obama actually learn from the mistakes of the past as if you really cared about your country.
Hey, you’ve never busted me lying, but I sure as hell have nailed you lying.
You make stuff up constantly with nothing to back it up.
You have no right to talk down to those you dont agree with and call em liars, no right whatsoever withouit looking like a hypocrite.