Election 2008–Vice Presidential Debate

To quote the cast of the former MTV claymation program Celebrity Deathmatch, “At this point it’s all over but the shouting…and the kicking…and the punching…and the biting…”

Below is a hilarious mock headline.

http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/palin-the-death-monger/

Joe Biden brought his gaffe a minute machine to face off against Sarah Palin, the newest conservative that the deranged left loves to hate. Gwen Ifill of PBS, who applies “Eau D’Obama Anus” perfume to her private areas before each shower, was the “moderator.” Apparently Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann were unavailable. Actually, they were in rehab being treated for rabies.

Nevertheless, the show went on.

The debate started with the disaster known as the bailout package. When asked if it was the best or worst of Washington, Biden said it was neither, before bashing President Bush. This is what he does when he cannot answer a question. He listed Obama’s four point plan, which is not an actual plan. It is four platitudes.

Palin did not answer the question either, because neither of them wanted to condemn the bailout. She did point out that McCain wanted Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac oversight in 2006.

Both candidates were asked about reaching across the aisle. Biden claimed that he “had almost as many friends on the republican side of the aisle as the democratic side of the aisle.” No, he does not. He then showed his mean streak by saying that McCain was “out of touch,” a cheap shot about his age.

Palin pointed out tht 96% of Obama’s votes were the party line, and that only McCain reaches across the aisle. She said that she respected Biden’s years in the Senate, but that America needs something “new and fresh.”

Ifill correctly pointed out that neither candidate answered the question. She then asked who was responsible for the subprime lending situation. She blamed greedy lenders because to be truthful and admit that average Americans got greedy and irresponsible. That is like gay marriage for Biden. It is a land mine. Palin did call for personal responsibility.

Biden simply blamed deregulation. Perhaps he prefers a central command economy. He said it was wrong to blame the irresponsible buyers because gas prices were high. Yes people are hurting, but that does not leave them blameless. The working class are not always innocent, and the wealthy are not always guilty.

Palin pointed out that helping the working class meant lowering taxes, and helping the private sector grow. Obama and Biden have voted for the largest tax increases in history.

Biden disputed the charge, and then devolved into Senate speak about procedural votes. He then pointed out that Palin failed to answer the question about deregulation.

Palin pointed out that it was Biden that was ducking the tax issue. She then offered a fabulous line that she “might not always answer the questions the way the moderator or her opponent want her to. She will talk straight to the American people.”

This is why I like her. She knew Ifill was hostile, and stayed pleasant while speaking what was important. Ifill then responded by cutting her off. Apparently the king of all windbags, Joe Biden, does not need to be cut off. Ifill was clever about it, but her PBS bias was on display. I was hoping Palin would promise to defund PBS, but sadly enough Ifill will continue to exist.

Ifill then shifted the debate to taxes. She asked Biden about class warfare, and Palin about hurting 5 million people by throwing them off of health care rolls.

Biden then offered fantasy about Obama’s plan. He keeps saying that 95% of Americans will get a tax cut. Only 62% of Americans even pay taxes. Biden and Obama call this “fairness.” That word was used several times.

What Biden calls fairness, Palin pointed out was “redistribution of wealth.” She pointed out that “small businesses will pay higher taxes, resulting in fewer jobs.” She pointed out that Biden stated that “paying higher taxes is patriotic.” Palin pointed out that “paying higher taxes is not patriotic. Government should get out of the way. Obama is producing a trillion dollars of new spending. That is the backwards way to deal with the economy.”

Palin then discussed McCain’s plan for health care, and pointed out that a “$5,000 health care credit would be budget neutral.” Where the candidates differ is on “mandates,” which Obama supports.

Biden insisted on fairness, while bashing Exxon Mobil. Maybe he thinks they are on the ballot.

Ifill pointed out that Biden and Obama disagreed on the bankruptcy bill, which Biden voted for. Biden babbled about how the issue “was complicated.” At least he did not say it was above his pay grade.

On energy, Palin repeated how Americans keep chanting “Drill, baby drill.” She pointed out that Biden spoke of “raping the outer continental shelf.” She pointed out that Biden and Obama say “no” to everything. She mentioned that she did not like “East Coast politicians dictating energy policy to places like Alaska.” She also mentioned that the terrorists win when we do not allow ourselves to use the supply of domestic energy we have.

Biden spoke about global warming, but said that McCain is “for everything if the private sector takes care of it.” That sounds great to me.

On same sex benefits, Biden enthusiastically support them. he then mentioned same sex marriage, which was not the question. Palin stated that she would not be in favor of same sex marriage, but that she was “tolerant” of how adults live their lives. She made clear that nobody in a McCain-Palin administration would deny benefits and hospital visits.”

This had Biden on the defensive, insisting that neither he nor Obama favored gay marriage. It must kill him to say that. Regardless of how one feels, at least Palin truly believes what she says on the issue.

The debate turned to foreign policy.

Palin pointed out that the surge worked, and that Biden initially criticized Obama for voting against funding the troops. Obama promised otherwise, but buckled under pressure when running for President. The truth hurts, and Biden did not like this. Palin said it “would be a travesty if we quit now in Iraq.”

Biden insisted that Obama had a plan, and that John McCain did not. He insisted that McCain voted against funding the troops. Biden then said the key line. He and Obama agree that “you have got to have a timeline.” Biden is as dead wrong on this as he was about his Iraq partition plan. He then said, “We will end this war.”

It would be nice if he said, “we will win this war.”

Palin rapidly pointed out that the Obama-Biden plan was “a white flag of surrender.”

Biden protested that McCain voted against funding the troops, but that charge will not stick. Biden can complain about timelines, but any timeline is wrong.

Those who complain about what is good for the troops should listen to them.

When asked to compare and contrast the dangers of Pakistan and Iran, Biden seemed to think that Iran is not close to acquiring nuclear weapons. I wonder if he gets his information from Armageddonijad. I would not take that hope at face value. He insists that the next attack will come from Afghanistan, and not Iraq. He has no way of knowing this, although removing Saddam Hussein certainly helps reduce Iraq as a threat.

On Israel, both candidates spoke positively about Israel. The difference is that Palin actually means it. Biden talks like a man that understands facts and statistics, but there is no warmth. Sarah Palin passionately explained that “there cannot be a second Holocaust.” She repeated the horror of Armageddonijad’s comments. Biden spoke aloofly about how President George W. Bush is to blame for Hamas getting elected. I was not aware the President campaigned for them. Biden got a bit pompous when he said that “nobody has done more for Israel,” than him. Actually, his record on Israel is less than stellar.

Biden speaks like an academic. He keeps saying that Armageddonijad does not control Iran, because the mullahs do. Armageddonijad is the public face, and he is a terrorist.

Palin also pointed out that “for guys that keep talking about change and the future, you spend a lot of time looking backwards to the past.”

Biden said that the McCain policy on Israel, Pakistan, and Afghanistan was “the same as that of President Bush.” That sounds fabulous to me. Perhaps Biden is endorsing McCain and preparing for 2012 against another McCain supporter, Hillary Clinton.

Ifill then quoted various republicans who favored diplomacy, including Colin Powell. Ifill could have asked Biden about democrats that favor force. This was her first biased moment.

On interventionism and the use of nuclear weapons, Palin explained that our weapons are an effective deterrent. In Afghanistn, Palin pointed out that we were building schools, not “air raiding villages,” as Barack Obama claimed. Palin pointed out what an irresponsible comment that was.

Biden also criticized the notion that a surge in Afghanistan would work because it is different from Iraq.

Palin pointed out that the strategy would not be exactly the same, but the overall goal would have some similarities. General David Petraeus is at Centcom, and he and Ray Odierno have stated that their will be similarities. “The principles of a surge would work in Afghanistan, and the counterinsurgency strategy can work in Afghanistan. Our military leaders have not said anything but that.”

Biden pointed out that we hear less about Afghanistan in the news because “it succeeded.” He should have said that about Iraq.

Biden repeated the outright lie that Obama reached across the aisle to work with Richard Lugar on securing loose nukes. Lugar himself disputed that assertion. Biden also complained that we spent more in the last 3 weeks in Iraq than the last 7 years in Afghanistan. That, even if true, is irrelevant.

Biden took credit for saving Bosnia. He also said that he voted to authorize the President to have the power to go to war, but that did not mean he was voting for going to war. Yes, democrats truly believe what they say. The vote was not for sanctions that were failing. It was a vote for war. Biden was willing to send troops into Darfur, to stop “genocide.” Saddam Hussein committed genocide in Iraq. That does not count because President Bush favored that war, which supersedes anything else for the left.

Palin correctly pointed out that it was a war resolution, and compared Biden to John Kerry “voting for it before he voted against it.” She pointed out that Biden was “for the war until he ran for President. He was against the Obama position until he was selected as Vice President.

Biden continued trying to link McCain to President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Biden compained that he “never supported John McCain’s position on the war.” I suppose that was a confession that he was in favor of losing. He also lied, claiming that McCain and Cheney said it would be easy.

Palin did not back down. She pointed out that “tomorrow the pundits will look at your statements, find the tapes, and see what was said.” She relished letting Biden know that he was making stuff up. She said that, “John McCain knows how to win a war.”

When asked how a Biden administration would differ from an Obama one, Biden chafed at the question, saying that it would be a tragedy. I would love to see that quote manipulated for strategic purposes, but it was a fair answer. However, Biden went into gasbag mode when he said that this was “the most important election since 1932.”

Palin pointed out that “with a team of mavericks, there will be disagreements. They disagree on ANWR.”

“Government, get out of my way, if you’re gonna harm me and mandate more things.” Palin was right when she said that.

Biden said that the people in his neighborhood “get it.” Apparently that means something.

Every time Biden criticized President Bush, Palin referred to him as “say it aint so Joe,” and “play it backward, Joe.” The democrats were criticizing the past, while Palin was pointing towards the future.

Moderator Gwen Ifill was asking intelligent questions, but her question on both candidates mocking the role of the Vice President in the past was a waste.

I had to laugh when Palin said that McCain “tapped” her for something. I forgot what, but she is so pretty, and I could listen to that phrase over and over.

Ok, enough fantasizing about her naughty librarian hair. The debate returned to seriousness.

Ifill then asked a gotcha question about Dick Cheney asserting that he was a member of the legislature and not an executive. It allowed Biden to say that Cheney was “the most dangerous Vice President in history.” If this was not liberal bias I do not know what is. Ifill had no need to ask it.

Ifill then asked about their weaknesses, Palin being inexperienced and Biden being undisciplined.

Palin spoke about her son fighting in Iraq, as well as her special needs daughter. She spoke of understanding the concerns of ordinary Americans, and that she had executive experience. She spoke of democracy, tolerance and freedom.

Biden spoke of his 35 years in public office, and how he was not going to change now. This is fabulous for a campaign about change. He then repeated the lie about 100,000 new cops in 1994 that never happened. He spoke about losing his first wife and child, and that he “knows what it is like to raise two kids alone.” He choked up.

Palin spoke about the diverse supporters of McCain from Lieberman to Lingle to Romney. She said about McCain that “He is the man we need to lead us at this time.”

Biden said that he “Loved John,” but that McCain was not a maverick on anything that mattered.

The last question was an issue where they changed positions. Biden spoke about how when he got to the Senate, he believed that the only thing that mattered in a judge were their qualifications. He now realizes that ideology matters. This is him admitting that he could care less about the Constitution.

Palin wishes she had vetoed more bills. She said that she wanted to cut taxes even more, but did not always have the support. She said that on the big things, she stuck to her principles.

The candidates were asked how they change the tone in Washington.

Biden hesitatingly admitted that McCain has reached across the aisle. He promised that he does question the judgment of people, but not their motives.

Palin spoke of appointing people regardless of party affiliation. “You walk the walk, not just talk the talk.” Nevertheless, she mentioned how important it was to lower taxes, not raise them and kill job growth like her opponents.

Palin used her closing statement to offer a slap at the media that is hostile towards her. She mentioned that she and John McCain have “always been proud to be Americans.” She also said McCain would “fight for you.”

Biden attacked President Bush. That is what he gets paid to do. He attacked the wealthy and praised those paying for their mortgages. Biden spoke about his neighborhood. Apparently he does not understand that Sarah Palin’s neighborhood is just as noble.

I doubt many minds were changed this night. Analysis I heard from others was that even if Biden won on points, this was a victory for the republican party because Palin did fine.
Neither made any gaffes, but Biden simply made statements that were not true over and over again. He also spent more time running against President Bush than John McCain.

Joe Biden is a skilled debater, but all the words will not change the fact that John McCain has an actual record, and Barack Obama has a pleasant smile.

The debate was probably a draw. Those who want pure debating points like Joe Biden. Those that like honest straight talk like Sarah Palin.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/02/sarah-rocks/

eric

11 Responses to “Election 2008–Vice Presidential Debate”

  1. All The Post VP Debate Buzz…

    Greasy Joe never saw it coming.

    My thoughts?  Who cares?!  Gov. Palin’s freakin hot!  She could have stood up there and read the back of a shampoo bottle and I’d vote for her.  Now I know what Chris Matthews meant about that shiver up …

  2. What a waste of time this dabate was. I could have learned more staring a wall for an hour and a half. Sarah Palin’s phony colloquial “straight talk” is like listening to a yokel drunk’s explaining away her husband’s insipid exploits. Biden’s uselessly restrained demeanor sucked the air out of the room. What a lousy debate.

    JMJ

  3. timbudd says:

    14 lies from Biden …. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/274757.php

    In any case, this debate does not matter in the long run … anyone remember those pivotal Gore/Kemp debates?

  4. parrothead says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. People vote for the top of the ticket not the VPs. Palin helped herself by showing she is not the caricature the press has been portraying he as, and Biden didn’t come across smug and condescending as he usually does in Senate Committee hearings, but overall it made little difference in the grand scheme of things.

  5. Micky 2 says:

    Democrat socialist,
    It was up his leg, wasnt it ?

    Yea Jersey, I know you hated it, she kicked ass

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  7. No, Micky, I’ve never seen anyone so inept at not answering questions. Tina Fey did her brilliantly the next night. Sarah Palin is a joke. I am ashamed of my nation for putting up such a joke of a vice-presidential candidate.

    JMJ

  8. Micky 2 says:

    Jersey, thats just an out and out predictabl exageration that makes you look even more inept than you claim Palin to be.
    I could probably digg a hundred comments like that right up off the Kos which are just childish hate.
    Some of the steepest libs have even come out and confessed what an improvement shes made since Couric

  9. SenatorJ says:

    The responses given by both Vice Presidential candidates were generally deflective and when they weren’t, accusatory. Biden, at least, managed to take a definitive stance on the issues he was presented with.

    The blind bias of this article disgusts me.

  10. blacktygrrrr says:

    Senator,

    This is a conservative blog. I freely admit my biases up front, which is more than what most leftists including Gwen Ifill do. They have to be caught and shamed into admission.

    I can be fair without being neutral. I am absolutely not neutral. I do treat people fairly, as evidenced by your comment being approved despite disagreeing with me.

    So welcome any time. Join the debate. It is like a jamboree only without any accordians or laderhosen.

    Respectfully,

    eric aka the Tygrrrr Express

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