The Tygrrrr Express arrived in Washington, DC last night. I will only be here for several hours, flying back to Los Angeles this evening.
My six hour meeting in DC is part of an event for the leadership of the Republican Jewish Coalition.
The second half of the meeting will be a trip to the White House. I think I went once as a kid to DC, but I do not remember it. My social security number has already been run, and as expected, my background check came back cleaner than a baby’s hide. Thank heavens fistfights in junior high school do not count.
Sadly enough I will not get to meet “The Dub.” He is busy working. However, I will get to meet his press secretary Dana Perino, as well as John McCain’s campaign manager.
However, with all due respect to both of them, the real thrill will be the initial meetings. Columnist and pundit Bill Kristol will be there. I like Bill Kristol, but in my mind, he is not the main event.
I rarely bow down before people, but the man I am flying to see is no mere mortal.
Yes, I will have the absolute thrill and privilege of meeting Sir Charles of Krauthammer.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/archive.shtml
I keep hearing this man is just a man like others, but I suspect the evidence would suggest otherwise. God gave him less physical mobility, confining him to a wheelchair. Instead he simply gave the man a finer mind than most Earthlings, myself included many times over.
My friends and I belong to a group called the “Republican Zionist Crusader Alliance (For World Domination). It sounds sinister, but it really consists of three guys that talk politics while watching football. I would be happy to offer membership to Sir Charles of Krauthammer if he desires the “privilege.”
This is all a fancy way of saying that my meetings and subsequent travels today leave me no ability to provide adequate coverage of the results from the North Carolina and Indiana primaries.
As I have mentioned before, the movie L.A. Story, with Steve Martin, had him predicting the weather in advance. I prefer Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam saying, “Today, it’s hot. Tomorrow, it’s hot. The next day, it’s hot.”
Therefore, here are my pre-written summations of the results from North Carolina and Indiana.
https://tygrrrrexpress.com/2008/03/from-vegas-and-chicago-to-texas-and-ohio/
Heck, it is one thing to offer ham handed comments in lieu of serious analysis. To offer recycled ham handed comments…now that takes a true lack of talent and effort.
Anyway, replace the words “Texas” and “Ohio” with “Indiana” and “North Carolina,” and that is exactly what probably happened. Also replace “Las Vegas” with “Washington, DC,” and “Chicago” with “Los Angeles,” to reflect where I am and where I am flying to later in the evening.
Now I can enjoy the conference with a clear conscience knowing that everything has been wrapped up in a nice little bow.
Yes folks, a column that would make Sir Charles of Krauthammer proud.
Ok, not really. Nevertheless, in an attempt to make this column readable, attached are some columns of Charles Krauthammer predicting the results of the 2008 primaries. That way, if he is wrong, then I most certainly am allowed to be as well.
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/krauthammer011108.php3
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/krauthammer032108.php3
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/krauthammer050208.php3
eric
I do appreciate Krauthammers realism when it comes to many socio-political issues, but when it comes to the Iraq war… well, let’s just say I haven’t seen much “realism” from “Sir Charles.” And now comes this Fukuama flap in which Krauthammer’s revision of his past views strikes me as about as “realistic” as a Dali painting. If Krauthammer believed the war was necessary but poorly engaged then why didn’t he see that coming from the obviously inept Bush “administration” before the invasion? Did the “realist” Krauthammer really believe that Bush and Co, of all administrations, would be in any way successful in such a massive endeavor?
With all due respect, I’m afraid I find Krauthammer’s predictions about as valuable as those from the Psychic Hotline.
JMJ
Eric !
Right on man !
If its not too imposing please let Charles know that theres this guy called Micky that feels the same way about him that you do.
Jersey.
Wise up.
Krauthhammer makes his predictions on experience and facts not some claim to clarvoyance.
Just because you dont agree with his stance on the war does not equate him to some two bit hustler selling predictions.
As was said in the previous thread and now obviously rings true.
Charly M hit it on the nail yesterday when he said this;
“Your most tiresome attribute is the labeling of anything you don’t agree with as insanity or some other perjorative.”
Millions of intelligent people will listen to Charles before they even considered giving you the time of day.
Get over yourself.
LOL! I’m not a syndicated columnist!
Krauthammer can be very wise, (I get the feeling you really don’t know much about him – I’ve been reading him years) but I think in the case of the Iraq war he let his heart override his brain. He was furious at Saddam Hussein, and understandably so. But to think Saddam was the kind of threat that warrented such a reaction, or that the Bush administration had to the competence to come any where near pulling it off, shows that “Sir Charles” clearly did not think it through enough. Millions of people know that too, Micky.
JMJ
As far as millions go. The line of thought you are refering to was not present during the initial invasion. The invasion got major support from both sides. Only during elections did that sentiment begin to change along with the undeniable fact that it could of been executed better. But a lot of these nay sayers are all mouthing off after the fact.
But that doesnt change the fact that people who think they are right are not to be equated to cheap hustlers.
What you think is a threat and what Charles thinks is a threat is something I give little consideration.
I will listen to Charles any day over you thank you very much.
“The line of thought you are refering to was not present during the initial invasion.”
Sure it was!!! What planet do you live on??? And we were RIGHT! And you – and all the other neocons who still think it was the right thing to do – just can’t be man enough to face that.
Look, it’s not even so much that deposing Saddam was such a terrible thing to do. but to trust the inept, crooked, consistantly wrong Bush people to accomplish such a monumental task was naivete at it’s worst!
JMJ
Just out of curiosity, JMJ, what were the inept, crooked, and consistently wrong things known about Bush people in 2003? Some things were subsequently shown to be wrong, but what was already known at the time?
JMJ;
“Sure it was!!! What planet do you live on??? And we were RIGHT! And you – and all the other neocons who still think it was the right thing to do – just can’t be man enough to face that.”
Look @$$hole !
I would really appreciate it if you stopped telling everyone who disagrees with you that they are not being men.
We are man enough to admit that the follow up to the initial invasion was wrong.
But we are also man enough to finish what we started. Unlike the miserable clowns you dems have running for office now.
“The majority of Congress voted to go to war along with a coalition of 21 other countries.
Still , the fact remains that people were not becoming disgruntled untill it became evident we could not find any WMDs.
Along with elections coming along , that is when the tides of support began to change.
The famous words of anyone who was running for office should make it clear to you.
J. Kerry;
“I was for the war before I was against it”
Chickens who did not want to take responsability for there actions only because they wanted into office.
Yes, lousy chicken democrats caved in and gave Bush enough rope to hang himself and America.
JMJ
Heres the numbers, read it and weep.
Unlike you I have reliable sources to back my claims.
These are the numbers from 2003 which are in stark contrast to todays numbers.
And the favorability was across the board almost all positive.
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=182
An overwhelming majority (74%) continues to support the military action in Iraq and the president’s leadership on this issue, while a minority of about 20% has, since the start of the conflict, consistently said the war in Iraq was the wrong thing to do. The public approves of the president’s handling of Iraq by more than four-to-one (77% to 17% disapproval).
Only 20% Jersey ! I do have a memory and its no big secret or hard to find stats that support the truth.
Todays numbeers that see the war as a mistake are a lot higher, no doubt, about 50%.
Get it right bro ! Do some research once in a while instaed of listening to your “manly” moonbat buddies.
Micky, that’s from 2003. (sheesh)
The war was stupid. Period.
JMJ
You dingaling ! ! !
Thats the point !
Cant you read ?
I was talking about the difference in support for the war between then and now.
And so I showed you polls and stats from the beggining of the war to compare them to today.
Here !
I’ll even bring my own comment down here for you to read since it seems you’re either too lazy take in the context or just trying to play games again.
” The line of thought you are refering to was not present during the initial invasion. The invasion got major support from both sides. Only during elections did that sentiment begin to change along with the undeniable fact that it could of been executed better. But a lot of these nay sayers are all mouthing off after the fact.”
JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ !
There is no “P E R I O D” in this world that implies you know what you are talking about.
You using the word “period” does nothing but show an autocratic dictative mindset.
If thats you’re opinion , fine.
But just cuz you say it is doesnt mean any more to me than what you had for breakfast
Yes, Micky, I know. Americans are easily baited. Al Qaeda knew exactly what they were doing, to whom they were doing it, and how we would react. I saw it coming the day the I watched the Towers go down. American stupidity rarely fails to not surprise me.
JMJ
Doesnt change the fact that you were speaking out of your rump.
Again.
Oh, can I borrow yer crystal ball one day ?
Maybe you should of warned us before Al Queda attacked.
Not that it has anything to do with the sentiments of our country concerning Iraq in 2003 and 2008.
Jersey McJones;
” Dodgeball king of the blogosphere”
Maybe you could talk that dodgeball like Tom Hanks did with his in the movie “Castaway”
Its the only thing that would listen to him and he went nuts when he thought he lost it
Interesting life you lead.
Coast to Coast.
Keep up the good work.
L.A. Stories was great!
You forgot Groundhog day.
Thanks
Riggword
Jersey,
“American stupidity rarely fails to not surprise me.”
Are you saying you are not an American? By the way your use of a double negative further clouds the picture. Can’t tell if you’re calling Americans stupid or yourself surprised.
If you hate America so much, where do you think you can go? Notice I did NOT say you should leave. What I mean is: if America goes down, WHERE will you go?Did Noam Chomsky buy you a ticket to wherever he is going?
Eric,
I’m a fan of Sir Charles. Never had any inkling that he used a wheelchair. His mind certainly knows few limitations. Add me to Micky’s imposings if you get the chance.
:-)
Oh Charly, give it a rest. I’m just as stupid and as brilliant (I hope) as any other American.
By the way, if you were to dissect Krauthammer’s positions, you’d notice that when it comes to matters that actually have anything to do with that “wheelchair,” boy ‘o boy does “Sir Charles” sound like a liberal. That’s what always bothered me about him – his lack of transpostionalism.
JMJ
Why should any of us give it a rest ?
You talk about being such a great man all the time and yet you rarely acknowledge the times when you speak outta yer rump or fail to answer any questions, as in todays thread.
All you do is make opiniated insults of good decent people and then you get yer bloomers all bunched up when we call you on it.
You have no examples to speak of when it comes to your positions and just expect us all to freaking believe you.
So the next time you tell any of us that you dont think you’re superior I’m gonna remind you of all the stupis sh** you say that you never think you have to answer for.
LETS START WITH CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER !
When your arguement on peoples feelings on Iraq then and now got chopped up and spit in your face as a result of you questioning Krauthammers position you fail to give one example, one quote or one piece of anything. And to top it off you go and act stupid by reminding me that my link was from 2003 when that was the whole point. And acting as if I didnt know what I was talking about.
SOME MAN !
You couldnt even humble yourself to apologize for what would be an obvious mistake to even the dumbest retard around.
And then as your last pathetic line of defense you come in here blasting a man in a wheelchair who has never done one freaking thing to you ever.
“Oh, Oh, I know, lets attack Charles on his feelings for cripples who are doomed to wheelchairs their whole life.
Sorry I p!$$ed you off, Micky, but the fact of the matter is that Charles Krauthammer is quite “liberal” when it comes to matters of his own personal interest. It just goes to show…
JMJ
“I’m just as stupid and as brilliant (I hope) as any other American.”
What bothers me is the thick stream of disgust for anything about America that runs through everything you say. No matter who or what comes up you have some nasty, insulting thing to say about it. I wish I had a dime for every time you use the word “stupid” or “insane” to dismiss people and ideas that don’t coincide with your own. Is that what BDS does to you?Micky has it right:
“All you do is make opiniated insults of good decent people and then you get yer bloomers all bunched up when we call you on it.”
If you disagree, try logically presenting the reasons for it instead of resorting to childish tantrums.
No jersey.
I doubt you’re sorry that you ever pi$$ anyone off.
You lost your tail on the last subject and so your next line of a attack is to use his feelings on the disabled as some kind of point that you know what you are talking about.
You know what ? I dont know Charles position on the disabled.
And I dont see how it has anything to do with Iraq or his appraisal of it.
All you came up with was some vacant and questionable statements and you offer no examples of anything. Whether it be his position on the disabled or Iraq you have nothing to prove your point
Is it somehow a flaw for a man in a wheelchir to have extra sentiments for the disabled ?
Ands if so is it of any value in this debate ?
Next to Charles you are a very unaccomplished person with different views, thats all.
And from my experience he would not have to reley on some percieved flaw you have to make a point against you.
Would you care to actually get off yer fat rump and show me and everyone an example of what you are talking about ?
Show me numbers from 2003 that reflect what you were trying to say.
Show me a quote or an article coming from Charles that reflects your implications on his stance for the disabled.
Hah!
You talk about us not being men when we dont see things your way.
Only a pu$$y would take that route and then use some ones feelings on the disabled as some kind of platform to elevate your sick hatred for any Con that actually makes sense that puts you in your place.
The men I know and grew up with can prove what they say and back it up.
You are no more than a weakling with no case foraging into anything to somehow prove that a decent and good man is not what we think he is.
I think you just dont like him because you want all disabled people to be on the left.
It probably ticks you off to no end that hes not wheeling around being a poster boy for the disabled and using that disabilty as a tool to instill pity for money.
Ya know.
Its just a matter of class. There are a countless number of subjects concerning Charles that you could of raised if you wanted to try and make your point.
Instead you took the cheapest sleaziest shot you could.
I just emailed two photos of you and Sir Charles. But, my email went to your spam.
On the subject of patriotism: America is still the place that millions of people from all over the world want to be. Not all of them want to escape from third world hellholes. Why do you think that is? Some of us actually have thanked God for the blessing of being born here. I do a slow burn every time I hear some ungrateful wretch tearing down this great country. If something needs fixing why not go to work to try to fix it instead of just running our country down? Write letters to congressmen – write to state reps – get involved in local politics. Pick an issue and work on it. Join an organization that does something you think useful. DON’T just scatter your energy (and the good will of others) by finding fault with anything and everything under the sun.
What gets me is this whole line about the “ineptness” and “corruptness”of the Bush administration. That is completely inaccurate.
As far as Iraq, Our initial mission, regime change in Iraq was successful in record time with record low casualties. That is the fact.
Has their been some mismanagement after that yes. But it took the United states 13 year after the revolution to devleop our current constitution. Five years after WWII Japan and Germany were sitll in Disarray. Expecting Iraq to be a smooth running demcracy in this short of time is ludicrous. Additionally inaccurate by the media and partisan posturing the Democrats contributed to make the situation worse over time by overtating set backs understating accomplsihments and providing encourage ment ot the insurgents. Polls are meaningless in this discussion. Its like the poll I heard the other day about what percentage of people think we are in a recession. What people think is not necessarily reality. Just because the majority of people once thought the earth was flat or the earth was the center of the universe did not make it true. Public opinion is easily manipulated. Empirical facts are not.
Its just like talk about how the federal government blew it during Katrina. The fact is that most of the problems in New Orleans and Louisiana were due to the ineptness of the Stae and Local governements. (Both run by democrats at the time by the way). Mississippi was hit pretty hard by Katrina as well, but it’s recovery went much smoother because of State and local govenments response there. The fact is most of that response is NOT a federal responsibility but turly is ht estates responsibility. Furthermore the Federal govenment is PECLUDED from acting UNTIL the state requests assistance, which was delayed in the case of Louisiana.
I guess I pushed a few buttons there! LOL!
Look guys, I personally think the war was a stupid reactionary mistake of monumental proportions. I think Big Oil and the MIC, and their minions in the Bush administration, took advantage of 9/11 to start another hot/cold war. I think some administration people (like Cheney) knew the war goals were unteneble but went ahead anyway for the sake of profiteering and politics. I think the Democrats took the sleazy, easy low-road and gave Bush enough rope to hang himself, our soldiers, America and the Middle East. These are things that I, and millions of other people, are convinced, profoundly and deeply, are true. You can say I hate America, or am unpatriotic, or whatever else you like. I happen to apply that label to those who got us into this mess. I love my country – which means I criticize it when it behaves stupid.
And I find it interesting how often conservatives take liberal positions on issues that hit them close to home. They’re against stem cell research – unless they or a loved one has an injury or disease it might treat. They’re against any kind of welfare or aid – unless they go broke or have to declare bankruptcy or suffer disaster. They’re against foreign humanitarian interventionism – unless some certain resource is at stake or certain allies desire it. It just seems to me that conservatism – especially libertarian conservatism – is a fair weather philosophy.
JMJ
Parrothead, I could be a parrothead and ditto everything you’ve said.
Oh, c’mon Eagle. How the heck does Louisiana’s infamous ineptitude excuse the federal government’s ineptitude? That’s moral equivication at it’s worst. And anyone who was surprised that Louisiana suffered more than Mississippi, for example, obviously doesn’t know a thing about their own country or it’s history. And how did that sleazy Haley Barbour pay for the rebuild? Displacing communities and bringing in casinos! Yeah for him. (snark)
And to say that we have record low casualties in Iraq is bold-faced lying by ommision. We also have record high injuries, brain damage, healthcare costs, mental illness, suicide, etc. It ignores the fact that we’re fighting without the draft, endlessly over-deploying. A new report I heard this morning says that some 43,000 combat troops have been redeployed AFTER being classified as unfit to fight for medical reasons.
And to compare todays Iraq to America at it’s founding, or post-war Europe is absurd! Iraq has no history of democracy or Judeo-Christian separation of church and state! Iraq was not a developed western state prior to the war! Iraq was never a homogenous state in any sense! C’mon!!!
How could you “parrot” such nonsense, Eagle? I thought you were smarter than that.
JMJ
JMJ;
“These are things that I, and millions of other people, are convinced, profoundly and deeply, are true. ”
Still, the fact remains true that most people did not feel the way they do today.
There are also “millions” of people that would disagree with you.
As a matter of fact the majority feels that the invasion was justified even without the WMDs. Also hardly anyone can argue that the follow up to the invasion was done on the cheap.
I hardly think that the dems intentionaly voted just to go to war and repeated voting for funding just as a ploy to get Bush to hang himself.
I dont believe that even the majority of dems would use a tactic like that costing thousands of our soldiers lives just to make Bush look like a fool.
The right went to war for a just effort and the left tagged along in compliance just to make Bush look stupid ??????
I like your way of thinking Jersey.
Have you cornered the market on aluminum caps yet?
But still, ho hum… so whats new?
You still continue to blab without any real references to back up all your critisisms and accusations.
And here below is just another of many examples how you lie and a perform disengenuously:
JMJ:
“And to say that we have record low casualties in Iraq is bold-faced lying by ommision.”
Parrot head was refering to the initial invasion in his statement:
Parrot head:
“As far as Iraq, Our initial mission, regime change in Iraq was successful in record time with record low casualties. That is the fact.”
But you took that statement totally out of context and proportion and tried to make it sound as if he were talking about the whole length of the war and then said he was lying.
His statement is 100% true in reference to the first three weeks of the war. And that is exactly what he was talking about.
But of course the only way you can think you are winning an arguement is to distort context and make things up that you cannot give credible witness to.
Its you who are undoubtedly the liar in this case.
As far as Katrina goes , there is a protcol in the chain of responses that are used in natural disasters.
The Dems in Louisianan dropped the ball. And I have shown you the data before to prove this. But of course when did facts ever matter to you ?
But really, who gives a rats rump?
All you do is perform the same delusionary dodge tactics and mouth the same unprovable and unsubstanial claims in every debate.
I question my country too.
But I do not toss bombs at it out of contempt prior to investigation.
You do that constantly. And as any fool would know. Contempt prior to investigation is one of the clearest signs of ignorance and bigotry you will ever see
Micky,
thanks for clarifying exactly the points I was making. I thought what I was saying was clear and readily apparent. I guess I was wrong.
Harold
No matter what facts face you guys, you refuse to see past your ideology. Truly, you guys suffer severe cognitive dissonance.
JMJ
Jersey, I could let stand what Micky and Parrothead said to clarify because the context of their statements, in rebuttal to yours, are accurate. It’s no secret I have personal experience with the “doings” in Iraq, and whether one buys into bghead’s arguments that I have been brainwashed and/or fed what the government wants me to know is debatable. I’d like to think I have a mind of my own and can discern conspiracy theories. It is also no secret that I have criticized our handling of the aftermath following the initial invasion – Let me share some common ground I have with you. We made so many mistakes when we first went in to Iraq that we are very fortunate to have a chance of turning things around. We trampled, invaded, and created great enmity between us and the people we meant to help once we ousted Hussein. We took jobs away from their military and security forces – creating a cesspool of angry, armed men who didn’t have means to feed their families, so they became criminals, planted IEDs, became informants, and attacked our Soldiers. Our Rules of Engagement were also somewhat suspect because we accepted too much collateral damage and created mass migration of people away from their homes, displacing tens of thousands of families. No excuse for that.
We did stupid things, but that doesn’t discount the need to invade. Saddam was sponsoring terrorist training facilities; he was murdering thousands of innocents indiscriminately; he was trading oil for weapons from France and Russia, and most importantly, he had already developed Chemical WMD and was developing nuclear WMD. Granted, he wasn’t there yet, but the fact that he kept refusing to allow inspectors to inspect spoke volumes about his intentions. Finally, we need stability in the Middle East. Without it, the global economy could be ruined.
It took too long, but our military leadership finally figured out a better strategy – that of Clear, Hold, Build, along with implementing Counter Insurgency Operations. They first had to clear the terrorists and disaffected people out. They are getting great help from the Sons of Iran and like organizations and people who are tired of their own people killing and maiming thousands of innocent women and children. Then, they had to Hold these areas, so they are training and hiring local police and militia, with the help of brigade combat teams, and more importantly, Combat Advisors called Military Transition Teams to train and advise the Iraqis to help keep the “bad guys” out. During the Hold phase, they develop Information Operations campaigns to keep local populace in the loop – giving them a sense of ownership and understanding. The next phase is Build – create jobs, infrastructure such as SWEAT (sewage, water, electricity, academics, and I use Transportation, but others use something else – I just went brain dead!)…all the while letting the Iraqis govern and police themselves. It will take time, and I don’t know whether you saw GEN Petraeus’ briefing to Congress, but I have it in case you are interested. It shows the tremendous progress we (and most importantly, the Iraqis) have made. It is a graphic representation of all the provinces and under whose control they are. Six months ago, only about 25 percent of Iraq was under Iraqi control. Today, it’s closer to 75 percent and rising fast. The mess in Sadr city is actually a good thing – Maliki took Sadr on by himself, without informing his US counterparts. Yes, this made the original invasion less than effective, but the fact that he took the initiative and eventually gained ground in the city, taking it back from the militia, is encouraging.
I was also “there” during Hurricane Katrina. We obviously have philosophical differences about what role our governments should play, but also in earlier posts, I articulated, in more detail, what Parrothead relayed – that it was AGAINST THE LAW for Pres Bush to activate federal resources UNTIL AFTER the governor asked for help. Literally thousands of Active Component and National Guard units from different states were on the borders, ready to move in once the order was given. I know because I was one of the “notifying authorities” at FORSCOM. Whew! Let’s continue trying to find common ground and work from there!
Oh my, he must be an edumacated fellow.
He used that term “cognitive dissonance”again.
“Cognitive dissonance is a psychological state that describes the uncomfortable feeling when a person begins to understand that something the person believes to be true is, in fact, not true.’
In this case the term does not apply. And is just a weak and pathetic attempt to appear as if their is some great conclusionary anlysis to the subject.
This obviously not true to anyone who can read and perform logic past a 5th grade level.
Conflicting thoughts? Hardly.
Those of my ilk who have supported the war are not detracted or conflicted to to the fact that no one has denied the follow up to the invasioin was handled poorly or that we could of done things better.
And we still believe that the war had many justifications with or without the WMDs.
We have not been blinded by any other ideology other than the idea that as stand uo men we must finish what we set out to accomplis.
Whether you agree with our goals or not is irrelevant as you have just stated that “no matter what the facts” are you refuse to see past your personaly insincerity to be able to actually deal with well documeted occurances and truths.
In refernce to the condition of cognitive dissonance being that we cant accept the truth I must say that no one here on this thread has denied any truths or balked at new ones that come up.
Your opinion Jersey is not “A TRUTH”
Instead we have dealt with those truths by remaining in Iraq until the job gets done.
The truth that you Jersey would like us to believe is that the effort is hopeless and pointless.
It is truly you who suffers from your favorite term “cognitive dissonance” because you are uncomfortable with real facts and continue to have no substantial input by means of any credible xample.
In other words , all you are doing is flapping your gums and adding nothing to this thread but a failing attempt to look as if you really have any redeeming attributes to make a decent point.
So…
No matter what facts are that face you jersey.
You still fail to see past your ideoligy that you can just say things and they will automaticaly become true.
You also fail to see past your ideology that those with a differnt vision are somehow insane or less intelligent than you.
This is a clear sign of dimentia to the extent that you somehow view yourself as “superior” by expecting people to readily accept your views without question.
That mindset is what most certainly will lead anyone into a major case of “Cognitive dissonance” on a proportionary level that would fly off the charts.
Its like performing mentall masturbation and then finding out right before that euphoric moment that you are the only one entertaining those thoughts and you end up with a case of “blue balls of the mind”
Or in other words.
You picked up what you thought was a woman and brought her home. Everyone in the club except you knew it was a tranny untill that fatefull moment.
Instead of admitting to everyone that you were mistaken.
Because of your incredible ego you are trying to convince everyone that it really was a woman. And that you are actually going to marry her/him.
You will stick to your beliefs even at the risk of looking even more foolish than you already do.
So tell me.
Who is it now that needs to “be a man” and admit that he is not always right and been proven wrong?
oH, my God, the White House!!!!! I’d like too much to come in!! It’s the ‘temple of democracy’, for me. I hope , a day, You’ll become here as rapresentant of american cityzens. Best regard from Your Italian Friend BlogMasterpPg, from Perugia, ITALY
Well Eagle, at least you’ve restored my faith in humanity again! LOL!
Just a couple of thoughts – I have never seen, read, or heard anything about Saddam sponsoring terrorist camps outside of Rightwing American media outlets, the Bush administration, and a few anti-Saddamist Iraqis – and I’m afraid I don’t find these sources to be reliable, let alone considering the obvious conflicts of interest. And while I agree that Saddam was a horrific despot, and never thought being rid of him was in and of itself a bad idea, I was quite convinced that Cheney was right in 1992 when he said:
“And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth? And the answer is not very damned many. So I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we’d achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq. … All of a sudden you’ve got a battle you’re fighting in a major built-up city, a lot of civilians are around, significant limitations on our ability to use our most effective technologies and techniques… Once we had rounded him up and gotten rid of his government, then the question is what do you put in its place? You know, you then have accepted the responsibility for governing Iraq.”
This is the main reason I believe Cheney’s motives were far from benevolent. He knew what we were in for and went in anyway, I believe for the profits of Big Oil and the MIC. That is the highest treason at it’s worst in our entire history. I believe he should be tried for this.
“Six months ago, only about 25 percent of Iraq was under Iraqi control. Today, it’s closer to 75 percent and rising fast.”
Now this is selective fact reading at it’s worst. (There’s goes my faith again!) Sure 75% of the TERRITORY, but only 6% of the POPULATION. So let’s get real here.
As for Katrina, again, I have never argued that the Louisiana governments should get a pass, but to morally equivicate that somehow the federal government gets a pass because Louisiana – famously crooked, inept, insane Louisiana – failed is rather reprehensible if you ask me.
JMJ
Micky, I stand by what I said.
JMJ
Good, you made my point for me.
Your personal opinions are no more than that.
You believing that opnion is fact just validates my assement of your deraingment.
Essentially your standing next to dung heap
Jersey, I don’t want to put words into your mouth, but I infer that you are stating that only 6% of the Iraqi population is under Iraqi control? I am interested in your sources because they obviously don’t jive with mine. My reference to 75% had everything to do with population/government/civil/military authority and nothing to do with territory. The sponsoring of terrorist camps is common knowledge – the question people like to address is whether they were Al Qaeda terrorists or just run-of-the-mill terrorists, and I simply love that distinction! Your reference to Cheney’s remarks is on target. In fact, I have even more ammunition from high-ranking administrators that state it would be a quagmire to invade. Regardless, we were in a position of “if this, then that”… The UN said to Hussein, “If This, Then That”. He did “This”, they did “That”. If they hadn’t, we don’t know what would have happened. Could be nothing, could be a mushroom cloud. We won’t know.
I was thinking the same thing Eagle.
I was waiting for you to jump on that one.
94% of Iraqis are under some other form of control?
“Could be nothing, could be a mushroom cloud. We won’t know.”
What we do know is that now we can keep an eye on the middle east a lot better than before and that the Iraqis are definatly headed in a better direction as opposed to Saddams plans.
The provinces under Iraqi control, allbethey large and covering most of the country’s ground, only contain 6% of the population. This I learned from the Floor of the House on C-Span yesterday (you can wiki it if you like). The 75% figure you cited actually represents the “secure” areas of Bagdahd (see USA Today). And the recent debacle in Basra proves my point.
Technically, aside from Kurdistan, the Iraqis “control” almost all of Iraq. But US forces still oversee 94% of the population militarily, which, as you know, is concentrated in just a few provinces.
As for the “what ifs” prior to the invasion, all I needed was common sense. I didn’t ask myself “what if.” I asked myself, “Why would he?” That’s a better question. I didn’t know what he had or didn’t have, but I did know that like any second-rate dictator what he really wanted was to stay in power. Why would he have risked all that to appease groups he didn’t even trust? Why would he have risked all to have weapons that would only be risky to him and his power? It made no sense. It never did. And when he said he had weapons prior to the invasion, that did make sense. After all, he was trying to avert disaster – to buy time.
Why this logic was lost on so many people is beyond me. but around the world, most people thought the way I did. Only in the hazy, crazy post-9/11 days were Americans hot-headed enough to dismiss such obvious rationale for revenge on those brown devils in the desert.
I remember how we were told prior to the Gulf War that Iraq had the “4th largest military,” as if they were a serious challenge. I found that laughable. I was right. But I’m glad we acted as if they did. GHWB was no fool (unlike his son). I recall an interview in which a military man was explaining why Saddams forces proved so useless, especially his regular army and air force. Second-rate dictators usually only keep a small force – in this case the RG – well-trained and armed. Why? Because 9 times out of ten it is the army that overthrows the dictator. So they keep large sort of paper armies that look menacing but actually pose little threat. You may remember the reaction of his air force to the invasion. Those guys had no idea how to fight. They just tried their best to hide the planes. It was all they could do. Why? Because one of the favorite tools of military coups is dropping bombs on presidential palaces! Saddam intentionally had an untrained air force.
Americans, sadly, do not know history and know very little about the world around them. That’s why we went in basically alone – because the rest of the world is better educated than us.
JMJ
Jersey, he “did”
Everyone knew why.
JMJ:
” And when he said he had weapons prior to the invasion, that did make sense”
Yea especially since he’s used them before
JMJ:
“Why this logic was lost on so many people is beyond me.”
Yes, we know.
JMJ:
“Americans, sadly, do not know history and know very little about the world around them. That’s why we went in basically alone – because the rest of the world is better educated than us. ”
21 other countries is not basically alone.
And you can keep bragging about the Encylopedia Britannica set you once read.
But all history is subjected to what you want to use in an arguement to elevate your arguement.
So your proficiency in history is really irrelevant. Especially when you expect people to just trust your word on faith alone.
BUT !
I actually have documented anals of history that show we were justified and had a definate reason and purpose to Invade Iraq.
Bottom line is that since Saddam was more or less on probation as a result of agreements from his surrender and he was violating that probation at every chance he got.
We let Al queda slide and decided not to let another percieved threat get too far. Saddam had all the signs of a percieved threat.
The guy was a nut. you give him too much credit in the rationale dept.
Invading Kuwait was a good example of just how questionable his judgement could be.
Would you let a retard have WMDs or any kind of control over a substantial threat mechanism?
Not more than a few years before the invasion he had already gassed the Kurds. Gosh, where were all the human rights activists then ?
Another perfect example of the ideal human in Saddams eyes would be his two sons snoozy and jacuzzi , or whatever their names were.
Uh uh.
No one will ever be able to convince me that we didnt do the right thing
“No one will ever be able to convince me that we didnt do the right thing”
I know, Micky. I know.
JMJ
Then you shouldnt spend so much time trying to convince me I’m wrong, or that you are right.
On the other hand since your rationale on Iraq is flawed I will continue to point it out.
Example.
JMJ:
“As for the “what ifs” prior to the invasion, all I needed was common sense. I didn’t ask myself “what if.” I asked myself, “Why would he?” That’s a better question. ”
Not really a better question at all.
If you studied history as you profess to do so much of you would of asked “Why did he?”
That would be a logical question seeing as how its proven he’s done it before.
And if I had to answer the question “Why would he?”
I would simply return to what I said above.
He would do it out of a spiteful rationale. As has also been proven too happen before.
Torching his own oil feilds and starving people by converting food for oil into cash.
And then theres the big question that would follow in any logical thought process.
“Whats next?”
Jersey, Just for the record, I watched CSPAN several weeks ago, and the “Floor of the House” was grilling GEN Casey. The question was posed to GEN Casey about whether he had UCMJ over a particular contractor. GEN Casey responded that it had been a few years, and he couldn’t recall at that moment whether he had UCMJ authority for that specific contractor or not. Understand, there are a great number of contracts and contractors, each with different sets of criteria. An astute “Floor member” hopped up and stated, “General, I was a company commander in Vietnam over 30 years ago, and I still remember who I had UCMJ authority over”. Bright guy. As a Captain (or Lieutenant) company commander in Vietnam, he had UCMJ over the people in his company, period. He is going to compare his company command (100 – 150 combat Soldiers…or transportation…or signal corps) with GEN Casey’s hundreds of thousands of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, DACs, and contractors???? Needless to say, CSPAN is as credible a source as our Congress… the people who have decision-making authority over the war, the budget, the special interest programs in New Orleans, education, health care, business regulations, ad nauseum. But, in saying the latter, I know that you, too, are upset with our Congress, so no argument there.
“Not really a better question at all.
If you studied history as you profess to do so much of you would of asked “Why did he?”
That would be a logical question seeing as how its proven he’s done it before.”
Not to us, Micky. Big difference.
Eagle, just so you know, I work from home and I’ve been a C-Span junkie half my life – even in my wild, younger days (my friends all think I’ve always been insane for it). I’ve watched that sausage factory for many, many years. Were it not for my wild-guy musician past, I’d be ready on day one if I were a congressman. If you get up on the Floor and lie, you will be called on it. I do not recall anyone calling anyone on that. Just yesterday some GOPer basically called Barbara Lee a liar for saying that we were in a recession and possibly heading toward recession just because the Fed didn’t say we’re in ression because we haven’t had two quarters of measured negative growth – the House almost collapsed for a moment there. If the congresman lied, I’d have heard about it. (Just so you know, you’re dealing with a C-Span lunatic.) ;)
But if you want proof of what I said, check the populations of the areas under Iraqi military control and US military (or joint – which as you know, means us) control. Here’s an old population distribution map (still pretty much holds true): http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/atlas_middle_east/iraq_pop.jpg
Now, you know Iraq, and you know who’s controlling what. Now, how the heck can you say that the Iraqi’s are controlling 75% of the country? What? 75% of the desert? Who cares? That’s like saying, “I control my entire house, except the living room, and that’s where everybody is.”
JMJ
Jersey, I didn’t say anyone called GEN Casey a liar, and I never said the former company commander lied. All I said is that the former company commander, someone who was in charge of about a hundred Soldiers back in Vietnam, had UCMJ authority over those 100 Soldiers. He was trying to compare his “vast” experience, and what he knew about UCMJ authority, with GEN Casey’s experience, which is not even laughable – it is scoffable – as is most of the drivel from the Floor.
I will try to figure out a way to provide the slides that were briefed to the Senate. Please consider to whom you are writing. “Now, you know Iraq, and you know who’s controlling what.” I have been there twice. I am going back this weekend! Am I going to believe some Congressmen on CSPAN for what is going on in Iraq, or am I going to believe my own eyes, ears, and sense of touch!!!??? Now I wish I had one of those smiley, doohicky thingies!!
Ha !
Who is “US ”
Being lunatic enought to think he could actually invade and take over Kuwait was a clear sign that he will try anything.
Hiring Palestinians to go to Afghanistan and bomb our boys.
Shooting at our jets hundreds of times in no fly zones.
Ousting weapons inspectors.
Gosh why bother giving you the list of the numerous sanction violations, resolution violations and human right violations.
After all that you dont ask “why would he?”
Anyone with half a brain would catch the bastard first and worry about why later.
“hey we have to find out why this guy is killing thousands of his own innocent people before we do anything to stop it!”
Do realize how utterly stupid that sounds ?
A map doesnt prove anything Jersey.
If i’m correct the Iraqis have there own government and as you said above our military “Over sees” the population.
I seriously doubt they “control” 94 % of Iraq.
Militarily our precense would be at about 95% in those areas, but would do not control or dictate movements or actions of the Iraqis.
You also must take into account that a good part of our forces are acommpanied by Iraqi forces working together.
And then of course arguing this with Eagle whom I’m sure knows a lot more about our troop movements than you kinda puts a damper on your claim and arguement.
Eagle, first – be careful over there! – second, sometimes a view from above is better than a view from the ground (and you know what I mean). The Iraqis DO NOT control most of their population. heck, I’d bet the government there barely controls 6% of itself!
I wasn’t comparing the Barbara Lee incident with what you were saying. I was using it as an example of House protocol. If you lie on the House Floor, you will be called out. The undeniable fact is that we control the major population centers and the recent relative failures in Basra drive the point right on home. The very fact that you’re going back there, 5 years into the war, is the miserable, bloody cheery on the Sundae of Doom.
Good luck over there. Oh, and did you hear, apparently they captured Al-Masri. Some good news, for a change. That sick bastard terrorizes me just looking at him!
Micky,
“A map doesnt prove anything Jersey.”
Remind me never to go on a drive with you.
JMJ
Jersey, Thanks for your “good wishes” on our safety… We’ll table the “who’s right” discussion for a different thread! As evidenced by my earlier post, many of the reasons we are going back “after five years” were covered in that post – we have changed tactics and are making a difference. With perserverance, we may swing the tide. HooAh on Al Masri!
Oh that was so funny that I forgot to forget to laugh..
If you actually think a map of Iraq showing population concentrations is going to explain who controls what percentage of the people or who runs what then I will respectfully suggest you get your head examined.
Man… that was lame.
Eagle. For a smiley do this > : – ) < with no spacing.
At first I used to get all frustrated looking for the smiley key.
I wish there was one I could flip people off with.
Eagle.
Without the brackets.
: – )
:-)
Micky, Great!! thanks… :-) : – ) ; > ) : + ( The first attempt was ok, the second was more hopeful, the third was desperate… ) I thought for sure there was a secret code that automatically caused it to turn yellow…which makes me sad and also want to find the flip off key! : – ) I copy/pasted yours thinking it might make a magic emoticon, but no such luck…
Eagle. Good luck over there and thanks for all you do. Although this phrase is likely connected with a different branch of the military service I do want to wish you “fair winds and following seas” :-)
OK, I guess it does work, but one must wait until one submits… darn, I hate the sound of THAT! :-)
Thanks Parrothead – I just finished training with a number of zoomies and Navy personnel – most of them are heading to Afghanistan, but all are fine men and women… “we be purple”…