The Presidential Debate–Pre-debate Perspective

Too many people have lost their minds, and I need to help them put their eyeballs and other loose parts back in the appropriate sockets.

Either John McCain or Barack Obama will be President. They will have a tough job.

We must respect the winner’s right to govern. Remember, the greatest empires fell due to internal collapse, not external pressures. Americans must prevent this.

Both candidates are good, decent men. They love their country, and their families. They are good husbands and fathers.

I am not neutral in this race. I am a conservative republican backing John McCain.

However, I disagree with Barack Obama. I do not despise him.

He is not an Arab or a Muslim. He is not a terrorist sympathizer. He is not an anti-Semite. Such destructive slurs are devastating for society.

The man is a human being, and while I have absolutely zero intention of voting for him, he might be President. I do not want the President to be crippled from the start. He needs to be strong to deal with the world threats. I love my country more than I hate the other political party. In fact, again, I merely disagree with the other party.

Having said that, it would be nice if the Obama campaign and their supporters would quit crying every time anybody has the nerve to criticize him. The issue is not his being light or dark skinned. The issue is that he is thin skinned.

William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, and the others are completely fair game. It is not racist to question why Obama had such questionable connections with people of low character.

The issue is not that Obama is a terorrist, or an America hater. Again, he is a patriot who loves America as much as I do. Obama associated with terrible human beings, Ayers being the worst. Obama used these people to climb the political ladder, and threw them away when they became liabilities. This makes him a politician, albeit one that is willing to tolerate worse behavior than most. This is because the Chicago machine is more corrupt than many places. JFK anyone?

Also, enough with the 1960s. When every last baby boomer finally grows up, we will all be better off.

I am tired of hearing about Selma, Alabama. Young people today believe they can achieve anything. The racists have lost, and those who despise racism have won.

Yet the left needs anger and rage to survive. Every conservative is deemed a racist. John Lewis compares John McCain to racist Governor George Wallace, and the liberal media shrugs.

For the sake of full disclosure, I prefer white bread to wheat bread. I hate wheat bread. It tastes terrible, and upsets my stomach. Also, in chess, the white pieces move first. Now if this causes you to march in the streets, then you really have too much free time.

This brings me to what being a community organizer is about. Community organizers are not people who stand in line and serve at soup kitchens. They are rabble rousers. They are political agitators. Al Sharpton is a community organizer.

Barack Obama is simply a Chicago politician who made his career by agitating. He was not defending and protecting the poor. He was using them to further his own ambitions, leaving them behind. In no way is this illegal. However, it is far from noble.

Barack Obama has no significant accomplishments. He is simply Al Sharpton with a smile.

This has nothing to do with race. If Al Sharpton were white he would still be a parasite. He would just have different victims. If he was a woman he would be Gloria Allred.

Barack Obama has never run a state, a city, or a business. He claims that running his campaign counts. No it does not. It does not produce a good or provide a service.

Barack Obama gets rattled and claims racism through his surrogates whenever anybody questions his associations. We are supposed to question his associations, and he is supposed to answer these questions in a satisfactory manner.

The best ad of this campaign was the one comparing Barack Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton. The racial hustlers cried racism, but the ad had nothing to with race. It was an ad comparing Obama to vacuous gasbags that are useless to society.

If Barack Obama were 100% white, he would simply be treated the way John Kerry and Al Gore were treated, as a slick talking, flip flopping, leftist that talks out of both sides of his mouth (Yes, Obama has much more charisma than they ever will).

This is where John McCain is wrong. He is scared to death to go after Obama hard because Obama is black. McCain needs to consult with Rudy Giuliani on the issue. Giuliani took down David Dinkins. The issue was not race. It was that Dinkins was a good, decent, thoughtful man that was incompetent, and not tough enough for the demanding job of running New York City.

Barack Obama is an unqualified hack who happens to be black. He has corrupt former associates, some of whom happen to be black. Ayers is white.

As for those that claim Obama is a victim, cry me a river. Sarah Palin is getting skewered in the same way that Ronald Reagan, John Ashcroft, and Dan Quayle were skewered. The media despises conservatives.

The left frets about violence against blacks if Obama is elected. It is not the left that has their cars keyed, lawn signs displaced, or t-shirts of assassinating their leaders distributed. Sarah Palin has been targeted for rape, and abused by the very feminists that cannot admit that they only care about liberal women. Her crime? She is a conservative not afraid to be more at home with Middle America than San Francisco or the Upper West Side of Manhattan. She wants to break corruption, and that include leftist corruption.

This brings us to ACORN. As for voter fraud, ACORN absolutely is a campaign issue. If Obama would just come clean, rather than try to sweep the matter under the rug, the matter would go away sooner. Trying to downplay it only adds fuel to the fire.

Also, John McCain needs to stop praising those on the left. They despise him. They liked him when he was an honorable man who lost. They hate him solely because he may win, nothing more.

Those that complain about the tone should remember that the left despised George W. Bush long before the Iraq War. They have hated him since the 2000 election, and never treated him like a human being.

We cannot make the same mistakes again. John McCain and Barack Obama are human beings.

We have every right to ask them tough questions, and to make it crystal clear when we think they are not providing satisfactory answers.

However, we absolutely must not question their patriotism, or their humanity.

Also, we cannot let them cry their way out of tough questions by claiming that questions about character are personal attacks.

Nobody in this race is a Nazi, nor is anybody turning fire hoses on any potential voters.

The hyperbole must stop.

Barack Obama is a tax raiser, a wealth redistributor, untested on Foreign Policy, and a socialist in the mold of failing Europe.

That is the main issue of this campaign. The hate speech must cease.

The poison must stop.

Let the final debate begin.


16 Responses to “The Presidential Debate–Pre-debate Perspective”

  1. Micky 2 says:

    I’m sorry but I dont see Obama being radical Islams biggest threat.

    To put it nicely.

  2. First you say all these lovely and truthful things and then you go on to call community organizers “rabble-rousers” and “agitators.” What a load. All a community organizer does is to bring people in a community together for a common cause. That’s it. That’s all. Be it to get people out to vote, get people together to petition the government, get people together to rebuild a local landmark or church, get people together to put up a a religious monument, get people togher to form coops or guilds – that ‘s all a community organizer is. They can be rabble rousers, sometimes, and they can agitate sometimes, but in the end all they really are is the most basic and fundamental nucleus of American society and history – the peopel who get people together for a common cause. Without them, there wouldn’t even be an America today. What you have against these people is beyond me. And on top of that, all a politican really is, in the end, is a community organizer. That’s what politicians do. They get people together, form and/or harness constitutent initiative, and organize and put to action communities for their betterment (or sometimes detriment).

    To be against community organizing is to be unAmerican to the very core.


  3. Micky 2 says:

    Theres a huge difference between a community organizer that instigates an agenda by ways of social engineering and one that comes to the specific calling of a community with a specific need.

    Obama is what Eric said he is.
    He organized with the intent to only further his career on the backs of peoples oppression.
    Now he disowns ACORN and Ayers.

    Jesse Jackson, one our best known community organizers/snakes even said yesterday that with Obama in office Israel is screwed.
    Of course if he was speaking to the left I will assume that only liberal Jews would think about that as an actual problem.
    Most liberals could probably care less.
    Those on the right I’m sure are aware of this without Jackson telling them.

    I’d like to know Erics thoughts on Jacksons statement

  4. Micky, do you even know what Obama did as a community organizer? Who he did these things with? Do you know what the DCP is? Gamameil? What is wrong with organizing peple to petition their government for what they want? And what does ACORN have to do with Obama? And what’s so bad about ACORN anyway? All they do is get people to register, then they hand the registrations over to the proper aurthorities, and just as with all registrartions, if they are bad, they get thrown out. So what’s the problem here?

    Do you guys have any substanstial concerns, or is it all just a low-brow soap opera for you?


  5. Micky 2 says:

    yea, I read about it once and it was so unsubstantial I forgot most of it.
    Asking me about ACORN is like asking me whats wrong with a screen door on a submarine.
    Please, stop insulting peoples basic intelligence. The corrupt activities of ACORN has been all over the media for weeks. And Obamas connection has been made plainly evident on every network.
    Its as if we just landed on the moon and the whole world including you saw it, but instead because you dont like NASA you insist it never happened.
    To add to the confusion coming from the left you just bragged about his involvement with ACORN and he at the same time is minimizing his relationship with them.
    Do you see the problem here ?
    I could be fair in my approach to them if other registrars were turning as many bogus registrations as ACORN.
    But really, when its just one organization that is obviously pulling these shenanigans theres no question that they’re corrupt.
    Lets not forget the history they have in intinidating Citi bank officials to issue sub prime loans.
    These guys are crooked all over the map.
    Stop playing these juvenile games as if all community organizers were Mother Theresa.
    You exactly what kind of efforts these organizers proport that Eric and I are refering to.
    Also, you conveniently missed the point I made above and continued your assertion that I was somehow saying all community organizers were of ill intent.

    READ !!!

    Theres a huge difference between a community organizer that instigates an agenda by ways of social engineering and one that comes to the specific calling of a community with a specific need.

    Get it ?
    But no, you have to go on some ridiculous rant fudging what I said so it sounds as if I condemn all community organization.

  6. Eagle 6 says:

    Jersey, Taken in context, I agree with your comment, “get people together to form coops or guilds – that ’s all a community organizer is. They can be rabble rousers, sometimes, and they can agitate sometimes, but in the end all they really are is the most basic and fundamental nucleus of American society and history – the peopel who get people together for a common cause. Without them, there wouldn’t even be an America today.” What changed the tide here in Iraq is a modified version of community organization – the Sons of Iraq or Sunni Awakening, depending on where one is in the country… some are doing it to further their own agenda, while others truly want to effect positive change. I can’t help myself though, are they forming chicken coops? ha ha (I haven’t figured out how to do that smiley doohicky thingie…)

  7. Micky 2 says:


    When I first got my computer I went apesh*t nuts looking for the smiley keys.
    Its like this , but without the spacing.

    : – )

  8. Eagle 6 says:

    Mickey, thanks! :-)

  9. Micky 2 says:

    Now the world is just a little bit better.
    But of course, does this little co-op make us socialists ?

  10. Eagle 6 says:

    When one gives another a “leg up”, and that person asks for more, it’s socialism. However, when that person travels around to mark his territory with the “leg up”, that’s progress and eventual freedom. :-(
    If the former figure turns into a frowny face, then it’s logic based on sharing of information…not to be confused with socialism…

  11. Micky, here’s a story on the ACORN matter:

    Try to find something real to worry about.

    Eagle, actually, the Awakening, combined with the what I call the Shi-a “Asleepening,” is to what I attribute the relative peace in Iraq today. Not so much the “surge,” though the “surge” did bring some peace to Baghdad by turning it into a cement maze.


  12. Micky 2 says:

    Why dont you try to find a real story that goes a little more into depth than a cheesy little story that only touchs on the bare elements of whats going on.
    It doesnt mention that they are being investigated in 13 states now, it desnt mention how the courts just had to order the state of Ohio to verify all the registrations ACORN has submitted.
    ACORN is a corrupt organization but you wont admit it otherwise you would acknowledge that no other organizations registering do not have the same problems ACORN is having.
    Hell, even MSNBC is reporting it.

  13. Micky 2 says:

    And its not just about registration and micky mouse.
    Really, dont patronize me dude you just make yourself look stupid when you actually think I would settle for that cheesy little article.

    This report focuses on the troubling record of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) and its tax-exempt offshoot, the ACORN Housing Corporation (AHC). The ACORN/AHC version of consumer advocacy has consisted of a three-decade assault on free enterprise and a history of extracting resources from financial lenders seeking abatement of ACORN’s public relations assaults. Specifically, this report examines ACORN’s impact on the housing problem. Documents provided by internal whistleblowers, cross-checked with public records and recorded events, expose hypocritical lending recommendations tied to ACORN Housing Corporation’s agreements with major banks–agreements that end up harming consumers.
    Media reports, combined with information provided by former ACORN employees, show that:

    ACORN leveraged the Community Reinvestment Act in order to attack lenders’ reputations and secure financial resources for itself; it has also endorsed loans offered by companies that fund ACORN operations
    ACORN’s decades of lobbying and publicity seeking have contributed to the current housing crisis by lowering lending standards
    Despite raking in a troubling 40 percent of its revenue from taxpayers over the last three years, ACORN Housing Corporation’s actions range from controversial to borderline illegal:
    AHC has worked to obtain mortgages for undocumented workers
    AHC relies on undocumented income, “under the table” money that may not be reported to the Internal Revenue Service
    ACORN’s “financial justice” operations attack lenders for “exotic” loans, but AHC has recommended ten-year interest-only loans (which deny equity to the buyer) and reverse mortgages (which can be detrimental to senior citizens)
    AHC may have violated federal law by failing to maintain a proper distinction between its tax-exempt housing work and the aggressive political activities of ACORN
    Voter Turnout or Voter Fraud?: Interest Groups Push for Election Reform (Johnathan Bechtle, Capital Research Center):

    In 2004 liberal advocacy groups focused their activism on “getting-out-the-vote.” The groups typically urged all Americans to vote, but their real goal was more explicit. They wanted to count as many anti-Bush votes as possible. At what point did voter turnout become voter fraud?

    ACORN makes a point of asserting that lawsuits brought against it have been rejected or withdrawn. But in 2004 its employees were the subject of numerous reports of registration fraud in Ohio, Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico and Wisconsin. Project Vote [a group created by ACORN and led by Barack Obama] denies that it deliberately orchestrated any registration fraud. But a stream of television and newspaper stories reported on the shady practices its workers used to register people to vote.

    To make matters worse, taxpayers indirectly pay for these shady efforts. ACORN has a number of affiliates providing mortgage financing and counseling for low-income persons. The principal affiliate, the ACORN Housing Corporation, received over $2.6 million in government grants in 2003-2004. Some state-based ACORN housing affiliates receive smaller amounts of government funding. With this base of taxpayer support, ACORN is free to channel its member dues funds and donor gifts to political activities. Despite its claim to nonpartisanship, ACORN ran a minimum wage ballot initiative drive in the 2004 Florida election that, according to an internal memo revealed in a 2005 report by the American Center for Voting Rights, was run “to help defeat George W. Bush and other Republicans by increasing Democratic turnout …”

    Rotten ACORN: America’s Bad Seed (July, 2006, Employment Policies Institute):

    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now is registered as a non-profit corporation in Arkansas, which does not require public financial disclosure. According to labor activist and scholar Peter Dreier, ACORN’s annual operating budget is around $30 million. The New York Times subsequently reported that the figure is closer to $37.5 million, excluding the non-profit research and housing organizations the group runs. Even this estimate likely does not include the vast resources of the ACORN-run unions or reflect election-year resources given to its ostensibly non-partisan get-out-the-vote efforts.
    Because it operates a virtual self-contained economy, ACORN entities exchange millions of dollars every year for goods and services. The scant financial documents available for public inspection paint a picture of a spider web of ACORN-run organizations that trade loans, leases, payments, and grants.

    ACORN’s no-holds-barred take on politics originates from its philosophy, which is centered on power. An internal ACORN manual instructed organizers to sign up as many residents as possible because “this is a mass organization directed at political power where might makes right.”

    The frequency with which ACORN employees are caught turning in fraudulent or erroneous documents indicates the group cares less about obeying laws than pushing its political agenda. When it is periodically forced to answer allegations of fraud, ACORN downplays the harm of its crimes or shifts blame to supposedly rogue employees, whom the organization then fires.

    $1 Million Scandal Latest To Hit ACORN (release from the Consumers Rights League):

    ACORN and its affiliates have a multi-decade history of fraud and abuse of taxpayer funds. Recently, the Consumers Rights League released a whistleblower report that uses internal ACORN documents to highlight alleged misuses of taxpayer money by ACORN Housing Corp, which took in 40% of its funds from the government and sent more than a million dollars to ACORN’s affiliate, Citizens Consulting.
    Now, The New York Times reports (“Funds Misappropriated at 2 Nonprofit Groups,” June 9)that ACORN has hid since 2001 the embezzlement of nearly $1 million by the brother of ACORN’s founder from that same organization–Citizens Consulting.

    Additionally, ACORN is currently under investigation for potential voter fraud all across the nation. With millions of dollars transferred from AHC to these affiliates, it is entirely plausible that taxpayer funds are funding much of this fraud.

    ACORN and ACORN fraternal organizations’ multi-decade record of partisanship and misusing public funds is a prime example of a broken system. They continuously turn in faulty, if not false, voter registration forms that threaten to disenfranchise voters on Election Day. They have repeatedly used taxpayer funds to bolster their own political ends. Eventually, taxpayer money ended up in the pockets of the brother of ACORN’s founder and ACORN attempted to hide the truth for years.

    Written Testimony Of James Terry, Chief Public Advocate, Consumers Rights League (Wednesday, September 24, 2008):

    My name is James Terry and I am the chief public advocate at the Consumers Rights League, a non-profit education and advocacy organization dedicated to preserving consumer choice in a broad array of issue areas.

    The Consumers Rights League provides an alternative voice from those organizations that argue for reduced consumer choice or increased government intervention as a policy of first choice. CRL supports all aggressive efforts to educate, motivate, register, and assist all citizens in voting so long as those efforts are legal. Unfortunately, there are some groups that do not seem to share this concern.

    As part of CRL’s mandate, we monitor policy debates, news trends and the activities of organizations that style themselves as consumer advocates. Unfortunately, due to their long track record of questionable or corrupt practices with respect to housing and electoral activities, we are constantly forced to act as a watchdog for abuses by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. To be sure, there are some well-meaning individuals who are a part of ACORN.

    Unfortunately, they do not appear to be the ones in control. Firsthand accounts from current and former ACORN employees, major news stories, and court cases across the country, expose corruption at every level of ACORN including embezzlement, cover-ups, misuse of taxpayer funds and voter fraud. While all of the reported allegations noted in my statement are found in the public domain, such reports often go unnoticed by the national media.

    Whistleblower Documents Reveal ACORN’s Apparent Misuse Of Taxpayer Dollars to Pursue Profitable Political Agenda (June 18, 2008 release from the Consumers Rights League):

    Today, the Consumers Rights League (CRL) published a collection of whistleblower documents that suggest the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has reaped substantial financial gains by misusing taxpayer dollars for political ends and by attacking lending corporations for the same “predatory” lending practices it regularly engages in.
    The ACORN Housing Association (AHC), an ACORN affiliate that receives over 40% of its funding from government sources, claims to be a consumer advocate. In a newly-released report from CRL, however, a series of documents obtained from a whistleblower source reveals hypocritical and potentially illegal use of taxpayer dollars by ACORN and its related organizations. These documents – which include staff emails and internal organization policies – suggest that ACORN has failed to maintain a proper distinction between its tax-exempt housing work and its aggressive political activities.

    God bless, you really do think your crap is ice cream dont you ?

  14. Micky 2 says:

    I usually dont rely on polls that reflect politics but it warrants knowing that in the AOL poll attached to their story on ACORN they ask…

    Do you think the FBI will turn up registration fraud ?

    Are you concerned about registration fraud ?

    Thats on an average more than 90% of the country that is worried about ACORNs activities.

    So when you tell me to find something real to worrry about maybe its all the uninformed people such as you I should worry about ?

  15. Eagle 6 says:

    Jersey, “What changed the tide here in Iraq is a modified version of community organization – the Sons of Iraq or Sunni Awakening” Your response, “Eagle, actually, the Awakening, combined with the what I call the Shi-a “Asleepening,” is to what I attribute the relative peace in Iraq today.”… Tomayto tomahto…

    Shia, Sunni, and Kurds (Kurds to a lesser degree) are participating in the programs – mostly manning strategically placed check points to prevent terrorists from putting in IEDs. They are not allowed to conduct any type of offensive operations – some say we are paying them not to put in IEDs; some believe they are sick of the violence and want to help (community organizers); some believe just giving them a source of income quells social violence…all are correct.

    The surge is much more than concrete mazes throughout the country…those were a pre-surge preventive measure that typified our search and destroy methodology that isolated potential targets of opportunity. Some of our tactics were too indiscriminate and have since changed. Furthermore, most businessmen have been calling for a reduction of the “T Walls” because they impede traffic flow and reduce business. Iraq is thriving in many places…

    The Sons of Iraq and Sunni Awakening are only a piece of the success…the over-arching strategy of clear, hold, build, putting Iraqis side-by-side or in the lead, has been a resounding success overshadowed by a media-driven economic fiasco. And, the only thing more dangerous to the US now than Islamo-fascism is the socialistic “fix” for this economical fiasco.

  16. Micky 2 says:

    Yep Eagle.
    I’m willing to bet that right now the evil little ones are wringing their hands together as we all act like someone screamed fire in a theatre.

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