Talk to the Taliban? Are you kidding me?

Maybe Barack Obama thinks he truly is God almighty.

Even worse, maybe I am wrong and he actually is God almighty. He is every bit as good as he thinks he is.

I cannot think of another explanation, short of him being naive and clueless, for him wanting to talk to the Taliban?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/09/obama.taliban/index.html

What the hell is there to talk about?

I am going to explain this slowly so that even an 18 year old friend of Obama on Facebook who finds him dreamy can understand.

The Taliban gave aid and comfort to Osama Bin Laden. The Taliban know whether he is alive or dead, and where he is located. Osama Bin Laden and Khalid Sheik Mohammed planned the horrific terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001. 3000 people were murdered in New York. President Obama wants to have dialogue with those that are every bit as complicit as the hijackers.

For the last 8 years, liberals have complained that Iraq was the bad war and Afghanistan was the good war. Conservatives knew that the leftist peaceniks were against all war. By pretending to want to get tough on Afghanistan, they could criticize George W. Bush endlessly on Iraq.

We now all know the truth that conservatives have known from the beginning. If we had never invaded Iraq, liberals would have criticized the war in Afghanistan.

Now that Iraq is secure thanks to Republican President George W. Bush, Democrats are less inclined to prattle on about how Iraq was “his war.” Well it was his war, and he won it without the sniveling little brats on the other side. He won it with plenty of help from Senator John McCain and General David Petraeus.

For those who forget General Petraeus, he was the honorable fellow that was called a liar by Senate leftists.

These same people that slandered President Bush and General Petraeus want to simply take the Taliban at their word.

Liberals point out the successful counterinsurgency strategy that they violently opposed. In fact, the only time liberals get violent is when condemning Republicans or conservatives. Liberals gush about how dialogue with Sunni Muslims saved Iraq.

What liberals cannot and will not grasp is that first we went in and leveled everything. We used hard power, and captured Saddam Hussein. Then we leveled every area in Iraq that contained large amounts of bad guys. Only after military successes did we speak with low level, low hanging fruit. They surrendered, and got down on their knees. Then we spoke to them.

After we took down Saddam, Khadafi in Libya surrendered. He turned over his weapons. We did just trust him. We verified. Then and only then did we talk to him, after he surrendered.

What is it going to take for President Obama to separate himself from every Democrat in the last four decades to become President, or get demolished trying? When is he going to develop a spine.

Barack Obama took an oath to protect America from our enemies. He also piously and pompously wanted to strengthen our friendships, which in his uninformed world were globally frayed.

So he refuses to meet with the Prime Minister of England. This act of discourteousness has them steaming. Yet he will meet with “moderate” members of the Taliban.

I love the way liberals decide that even the most bloodthirsty and murderous elements contain moderates.

Moderate members of the Taliban are like moderate Palestinian leaders. They are fictional.

Afghanistan is not Iraq. Iraq was a secular dictatorship based on Stalinism. Afghanistan, or at least the Taliban, are religious fundamentalists. They are the true believers. What does one discuss with them?

Will they apologize for hiding Bin Laden and disclose his whereabouts?

Will they stop beating women in the town square for walking without their husbands?

Will they allow Jews and Christians to live in peace? Or are they infidels?

Exactly what will we negotiate away?

If Barack Obama truly wants to motivate himself to toughen up and stop being so bloody effeminate, maybe somebody should tell him that the Taliban are Republicans. Better yet, they are employed by Fox News. Even better, let President Obama have classified information showing that they have Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity bumper stickers in their caves.

What is it going to take for this man leading America to drop the “too cool for school” attitude, and stop being so aloof, and detached? What makes him think he is so special that his words will get religious genocidal wack jobs to develop human empathy?

Does he plan on offering up 72 virgins?

The Taliban are murderers. You do not get to know them. You defeat them. You kill them.

On the one hand the left claims that Afghanistan was neglected all of these years. Then the left simultaneously decides to talk to them. Do they plan on sending John Kerry or Al Gore to Afghanistan to bore the enemy to death?

Will Hillary Clinton nag them into submission? Folks, men in those parts of the world do not fear women, not even Hillary.

“Asked if the United States is winning the war in Afghanistan, Obama said ‘no.'”

I wonder if the military appreciates their Commander in Chief taking this ridiculous approach.

“Given that remark, Gary Berntsen, a former CIA officer who led CIA forces in Afghanistan after 9/11, said Monday that it could be difficult to get members of the Taliban to work with the United States.

‘If you keep saying the Taliban are winning, what incentive is there now for individuals who are fighting against us to come over to us?’ he said on CNN’s ‘American Morning.'”

What a complete and utter shock. A military man knows more about a military conflict than a civilian gasbag that knows nothing about the military.

Maybe Barack Obama can get real tough and treat the Taliban like they were stockholders. He can confiscate all of their wealth with a few harmful utterances.

The Taliban do not have wealth. They live in caves. They have nothing to lose. They will never surrender until they are beaten, battered, and bloodied. Even then, they might prefer death.

Mr. Obama, you talk too much, and you say too little.

You accomplish nothing, and embolden our enemies.

For once, just be quiet. I have given up asking you to do anything positive.

Just stop making things worse.

Pretend the Taliban are Republicans. Then pretend to talk to them but really give nothing.

We are in the middle of World War III.

It would be nice if our leader actually wanted to win.

eric

15 Responses to “Talk to the Taliban? Are you kidding me?”

  1. Toma says:

    Well said Eric!!!

    I have more GALL than you can count.

    To me Obama is a clueless kid. Just another arrogant politician.

    These people (Dems) are dedicated to appeasement. The (Oh please like me and lets sit down and talk about us) foreign policy is on to move. I can’t wait to see Hillary sitting on a rock showing her best fake smile trying to charm the Taliban.

    Toma

  2. Micky 2 says:

    Americans will die.
    I’m not surprised at all, I expected him to do something like this but when the reality hits you that its actually being put out there on the media for everyone to hear, including the Taliban, I’m still ended up jumping up and down in my living room screaming my a$$ off as if it were the first time I ever heard of something so incredibly stupid.

    “Exactly what will we negotiate away?”

    If anything does happen…
    We will be extorted much like the Gambinos offered protection to the hoods they occupied or how Hamas offers peace in exchange for goodies.
    The Taliban will ask for clinincs, schools with no girls room, roads, and be allowed to continue growing poppy.

    Obama will offer agriculture in exchange for the poppy fields and subsidise the difference in lost profits from our tax dollars.
    They will still grow poppy.
    The schools, clinics and roads must be built by the Taliban and the tribes they rule over. They will claim that they want to build it themselves so as to retain dignity but in reality want to pay the workers next to nothing and pocket the difference.
    They’ll smile and say thank you as they shake your hand with one hand and are holding a dagger with the other behind their backs.
    They will not give up Bin Laden.

    These guys are like rats. They’re scattered across Pakistan and Afghanistan everywhere The only way to deal with rat infestation ios not think you’ll end it with popping them off one by one, you need to cut off the food supply.
    Bomb the poppy fields, every single one and anyone near them.
    Its not our fault if they have fair warning and the innocents are left there as shields.
    Tell Pakistan to start cooperating in the North or lose the money we are giving them and we’ll go in and get all the bastards ourselves.

  3. hauk says:

    Yeah… negotiating with the people who treat their women as less than animals, who require Jews to wear Yellow Stars of David on their robes (Gee- where have we seen that before?), who outlaw music and musical instruments, and who bomb thousand year old works of art- that just strikes me as a bad idea.

    These are not men, they are feral animals. I remember signing a liberal petition to have sanctions placed on the Taliban in 2000- fully a year before 9/11.

    It’s not a bad idea. It’s not even worthy of talking about. Find the Taliban, kill them all. The world will be a better place.

    And excuse me for being intolerant. Were I in their country, I would have been dead years ago for my religion, my profession, and my refusal to grovel before their desert god.

    Kill ’em all. Hey- that would make a great song title…

  4. Toma says:

    Write your song Hauk. I’ll bet the MSM and Obama will try to ban it.

    Toma

  5. ib42 says:

    NO, NO, NO! If you knew these people and how primitive and neanderthal their brains, you wouldn’t even consider talking to them!
    Wipe the bastards out. They originate in NW Pakistan. Give the pakis advance notice, then nuke the whole area. There is no such thing as a civilization there, nor are the taliban types remotely civilized. Like cockroaches, their entire history is based on survival. There is no leadership to talk to, no desire on their part for any form of peace, just the cruel subjugation of women and children, and the spread of their evil beliefs worldwide.. They are sadistic. And worthless to the world, just a thorn which must be removed…or else.

  6. “Iraq was a secular dictatorship based on Stalinism.”

    That’s a new one! Never heard that before. I have no idea what to make of it…

    “We are in the middle of World War III.”

    Right. Don’t you wish. That would be a neocon dream come true.

    I was wondering when you were going to get around to this. There’s been talk of this for a long time now.

    The hope here is that some of the Taliban (some say most) can be brought into the mainstream of Afghan politics and government, and that by doing so their worst tendencies can be tempered (it’s sort of like what we have here in the US – the GOP is part of the government, but they don’t get to impose the Christo-Fascist Theocracy they’d like). No one is sure it can work or not, but it’s worth a shot. No one is suggesting just giving the Taliban anything for nothing. This is just an attempt to see if they can be mainstreamed. That fact of the matter is that Afghanistan is a very backward and lawless country, and the Taliban are very popular among very many Afghans whether we like it or not. The Taliban did not foist their rule upon Afghan culture – they are a product of it. Like the IRA, or the Sunni and Shiite militias of Iraq, the hope is to bring these people into the Afghan governement both to temper them, bring legitimacy to the rule of the people, and end the insurgency. It’s worth a shot. If it fails, then we’re right back where we started. If it succeeds, then that would be best possible outcome where most all the possible outcomes look bad – it’s the least bad outcome, and it’s basically the same thing we did in Iraq once Bush realized that his prior plans were failuers and mistakes.

    Now, I know you cons are all zero-sum, black and white, never try anything different ever, type of people, and we’ve had nothing but failure because of it. This is something new and we have nothing to lose by trying it. So why don’t you just wait and see what happens before you stick your feet any deeper into your mouths?

    JMJ

  7. Micky 2 says:

    “The hope here is that some of the Taliban (some say most) can be brought into the mainstream of Afghan politics and government, and that by doing so their worst tendencies can be tempered”

    Ah yes, “HOPE”.
    Where have we heard that before ?
    Lets see if we can get a bunch of religious murdering extremists to behave in a somewhat secular manner whithin the government of a country that they believe should be theocratically dicated to.

    “(it’s sort of like what we have here in the US – the GOP is part of the government, but they don’t get to impose the Christo-Fascist Theocracy they’d like).”

    “They’d like “? Christo-Facist Theocracy ?
    Um, yea, as our presidential candidate were nominating the Pope in 2012.
    Not at all, we just want the constitution and the bill of rights to reflect the judeo christian values on which they were built.
    But what would you expect from someone who believes we are all just freaks of nature, an acident with no realpurpose ?

    “No one is sure it can work or not, but it’s worth a shot.”

    Yea, its like with the economy. Were really not sure even though millions could end up suffering but its worth a shot as long as its not our a$$es on the line.
    Or like with the Palestinians. Lets see if we can get help these murdering thugs into a position of power where they end of having an economy viable enough to build and support a military capapble of coming after us.
    Yea, we dont know if it’ll work or not but its worth a shot.

    ” No one is suggesting just giving the Taliban anything for nothing. This is just an attempt to see if they can be mainstreamed.”

    Yuk yuk.
    What do we have that they want ?
    I think its pretty safe to say that we know what would happened if they were mainstreamed.
    Right now they’re just pills that have to go thru the stomach. liver and kidneys in order to enter the bloodstream and take effect.
    Lets just shoot em up straight into the arm of an already weak system. This way we can see the disasterous effects that much quicker.

    “That fact of the matter is that Afghanistan is a very backward and lawless country, and the Taliban are very popular among very many Afghans whether we like it or not.”

    Yes professor, we know.

    “The Taliban did not foist their rule upon Afghan culture – they are a product of it.”

    No they’re not. They’re a product of surrounding middle eastern regions including Africa, Pakistan and even the Soviet Union. Not even half of them are Afghanis. And yes, they did “foist” their rule upon Afghanis in 94 when they took over Kandahar”

    ” Like the IRA, or the Sunni and Shiite militias of Iraq, the hope is to bring these people into the Afghan governement both to temper them,”

    More “HOPE”

    ” bring legitimacy to the rule of the people, and end the insurgency. It’s worth a shot. ”

    No its not worth a shot at having this type of temperment whithin any government.
    Are you that ignorant that you think once they are part of a legitimate government they will change their ways ?

    “If it fails, then we’re right back where we started.”

    Just with a larger body count.

    “If it succeeds, then that would be best possible outcome where most all the possible outcomes look bad – it’s the least bad outcome, and it’s basically the same thing we did in Iraq once Bush realized that his prior plans were failuers and mistakes.”

    Yea well, I guess you didnt read Erics post where he mentions that talks were always preceeded by the acknowledgement that they could get their a$$es wooped.
    Bush did no such thing in Iraq. The surge was a show of force, not a negotiation.

    “Now, I know you cons are all zero-sum, black and white, never try anything different ever, type of people,”

    Yet you credit us with doing something different in Iraq in your last sentence. It just wasnt different the way you so disengenuously put it.

    “and we’ve had nothing but failure because of it.”

    This is just a good ole lie.

    “This is something new and we have nothing to lose by trying it. So why don’t you just wait and see what happens before you stick your feet any deeper into your mouths?”

    Because we dont want American soldiers or innocent Afghanis dying with Taliban feet in their a$$es.

    They’re terrorists, they dont want a fair government.
    Its not the talking part that anyone is worried about.
    If the talks give these monsters any kind of power is what were worried about.
    Get it ?

    Talking with the Taliban will yeild as much results as it would if I asked you to join the GOP.
    Think there’d any “HOPE” in that endeavor ?
    Chew on that for a while

  8. Micky, you guys have some gall of accusing Obama of being “clueless.” You don’t know ANYTHING about Afghanistan.

    This, right here, is a laughable display of pure ignorance:

    “(The Taliban are) a product of surrounding middle eastern regions including Africa, Pakistan and even the Soviet Union. Not even half of them are Afghanis. And yes, they did “foist” their rule upon Afghanis in 94 when they took over Kandahar”

    Let’s see… Just how many things are just plain flat out wrong about this statement?

    Well, for starters, the Taliban are almost all Pashtuns from southern Afghanistan. (You’re thinking of the previous Mujahideen rulers)

    Many of the Taliban fought the Soviet Union furing the occuaption years, and the movement itself was born of that fight and then broke away from the Mujahideen.

    The Taliban are FROM Kandahar. It is a native land for them.

    God, you guys are soooooooooooooo clueless!

    We have nothing to lose here. Either we can convince a portion of the Taliban to trade in their militancy for civil politics or we can’t. What you geniuses have against that is beyond me. It’s just more insipid, knee-jerk, reactionary, pointless, contrived, conservative idiocy.

    JMJ

  9. Dav Lev says:

    This morning I received an email from an activist for the US, the Western World, Israel and moderate Arab and Muslim states.

    The email had attached an article by a blogger who is imploring US not to send 900 million dollars of our hard earned taxpayer money, to Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip and is trying their darnest to take over the
    other Palestinian territory in the West Bank.

    Since 1948, the UN through UNRWA, and good natured governments have given to the Palestinians (the
    non-Jewish residents of Palestine and their offspring) literally tens of billions of dollars, more by far,
    than any other group per person.

    Through outright thievery, and mis-representation of their numbers
    (those Palestinians who have died, are counted as still being alive),
    this has been tantamount to embezzlement of the world’s charities
    dwarfing anything Mr. Madoff is alledged to have stolen by his
    now famous ponzi scheme., which also brazenly stole from charities and foundations, for which he will do time (the rest of his life). No Palestinian
    has yet gone to jail for thief.

    Every dime that we give Fatah (on the West Bank) is turned over to
    Hamas, a terrorist group as defined by US.

    They in turn use it, not to aid their people, but to purchase material
    to manufacture weapons..or pay Iran, to sell them advanced weaponry
    all of it designed to destroy Israel as a nation, and kill it’s people (both Jews, Arabs who are caught in the cross fire, and “Infidels” (Christians and other non-believers).

    I am reminded of a conversation with a Muslim recently who told me boldly, that that West and Jews are responsible for all of Africa’s ills…
    that Sharia will come to the USA (Muslim law which allows for beheadings
    and would deny US everything we stand for).

    Obama wants to talk to the Taliban. He differentiates between the good
    Taliban and bad Taliban? I have posted repeatedly the folly of this
    aproach to engage, talk, and push diplomacy, while Iran pursues nukes, Hamas and Hezbollah arm themelves, No. korea has weaponized plutonium, Chavez rules Venezuela and nationalizes more industries,
    Castro remains a dictator, etc.

    Now he is approving 900 million dollars to Hamas, does he know what
    he is going I ask?

    Why is he rewarding them for keeping the Israeli army soldier now in
    captivity for over 2 years..playing with Israel’s sympathies and the
    desparation of his parent’s? Hamas is demanding Israel release over 1500 captured and convicted terrorists, many of whom killed Jews (and Arabs), people who will kill again given the opportunity. These terrorists in any other country would have been hung long ago.

    This money will only strengthren Hamas’s grip on the Palestinians,
    and further their goal of eventually (with Iran) destroying the State of Israel and moving onto Jordan, Egypt, and taking over the Gulf Arab states and Saudi Arabia.

    Mr. Obama, you and your advisers are ruining America, you have
    embolden our enemes..you have fooled most Americans with your
    recipe for getting US out of this recession, caused by you and your liberal
    followers who wanted a piece of the American pie..people who
    had bit off more than they could chew, and have in the process chewed
    us all up.

    There is still time Obama to reverse course…but I am pessimistic.

    The anwer is for you to listen to McCain, Palin, and the Republican moderates. Don’t spend US into oblivion…you have yet to resolve
    the real problems of Islamo-facsism, social security and medicare.

    Leave the medical system alone, give out those condoms….that is
    part of the problem, educate our young and older people to reduce
    the size of their families…not have the rest of us pay for their
    one minute of pleasure.

  10. Micky 2 says:

    “Micky, you guys have some gall of accusing Obama of being “clueless.” You don’t know ANYTHING about Afghanistan.”

    Hahahahahahahahaha !!!!!
    Oh my god you’re such a humogous hypocrite !!!!
    I cant possibly have more gall than you accusing Bush of being clueless in Iraq or Afghanistan or anything else he did !!!!
    I’ve lost count of how many times you’ve professed to know more about what anyone else was doing in regards to Israel, the Palestinians, Iran, whatever.
    If you can say that anyone the slightest bit connected to conservatism is clueless in their endeavors where do you get off condeming me for saying Obama is clueless ????
    Last I checked you never were privy to sensitive intelligence at the executive level, were you ?
    Please, I’d love to see you squirm outta that one .

    “Well, for starters, the Taliban are almost all Pashtuns from southern Afghanistan. (You’re thinking of the previous Mujahideen rulers)
    Many of the Taliban fought the Soviet Union furing the occuaption years, and the movement itself was born of that fight and then broke away from the Mujahideen.
    The Taliban are FROM Kandahar. It is a native land for them.”

    Wrong again. Its anything but native to them bro !
    When you gonna learn that unlike you, I cover my yap before I open it.
    For starters you first said they were a product of Afghanistan, as in “all of them”
    JMJ;
    “The Taliban did not foist their rule upon Afghan culture – they are a product of it. ”

    I told you that was not true,ana that they were a product of more than just Afghanistan.
    Now, as always, you obfuscate and say ” ALMOST ALL” are from S. Afghanistan.
    “ALMOST ALL” is exactly what I was saying in the beggining when I said they also come from surrounding middle eastern territories and Pakistan. A good part of them were from Pakistans, studied there and later moved north. Recently a large percentage of them have migrated back to the original villages they were from in N. Pakistan.
    They are not “FROM KANDAHAR”
    They are from surrounding areas like I said.

    “The vast majority of Pashtuns are found in an area stretching from southeastern Afghanistan to northwestern Pakistan. Additional Pashtun communities are found in the Northern Areas of Pakistan and in Khorasan Province of eastern Iran. There is also a sizeable community in India, that is of largely putative ancestry. A large migrant-worker community resides in the countries of the Arabian Peninsula and in smaller communities in Europe and North America. Important metropolitan centers of Pashtun culture include Kandahar, Jalalabad and Swat. Peshawar, Quetta, Kabul and Kunduz are ethnically mixed cities with large Pashtun populations. With 3.5 million ethnic Pashtuns, Karachi hosts one of the largest Pashtun populations in the world.”

    You are soooooooooooooooooooooo clueless !

    Besides that, who really cares where they’re from ?

    “We have nothing to lose here.”

    Are you serious ? (I’m afraid so)
    Obviously it hasnt occured to you that theres going to be a cost of some sort involved be it a draw down, a compromise that could compromise security, maybe our troops could be vulnerable on the basis of trust at one point, and then theres the huge possibilty they want sime kind of aid.
    Like I said, but you dont ever listen.
    Its not the talking part that has us worried !!!! TALK ALL YOU WANT !!!
    If the talks give these monsters any kind of leverage or power, that is what were worried about !!!

    How can you say with any integrity that we have nothing to lose when you dont even know what the deal is yet ? That dear buddy is about as stupid as it gets.
    Its just a clear example of the idiocy on the left walking into something on the faith of “HOPE” alone that we have nothing to lose not even knowing what the scenario is yet.
    Yes, exchange of words is harmless.
    Many of our troops have already expressed concern that its a sign of weakness when the 17000 that are getting sent there are being portrayed as useless.

    “Either we can convince a portion of the Taliban to trade in their militancy for civil politics or we can’t.”

    Reagan gave em a few hundred Stinger missiles to help them defeat the Soviets and the thanks we got was them teaming up with and supporting Al Queda.
    Yea, right, no thanks guys

  11. Reagan gave the Mujihadeen 2000 STINGERS, Micky, and the money from that eventually went to murderers in Nicaragua. Reagan should have gone to prison for that.

    You did not substantially refute a single thing I said. You just disagree. that’s not arguing, to paraphrase Monty Python, that’s just contradiction.

    JMJ

  12. Micky 2 says:

    What did you say ? Lets see.

    You accused me of having gall in bashing Obamas Taliban policy.
    I made it clear what a hypocrit you are. And you’ve yet to prove me wrong on that.

    You said “the” Taliban were indiginous or from Kandahar.
    You didnt prove that.

    “gave the Mujihadeen 2000 STINGERS, Micky, and the money from that eventually went to murderers in Nicaragua. Reagan should have gone to prison for that.”

    Once again, you obfuscate. How you percieve any criminality is irrelevant.
    It was a gift and we were showed thanks by being demonized and attacked. Besides, it was proven that he really didnt have control over the movement of that money, or was involved in it.
    Period.

    “You just disagree”

    No, you’re a liar amd just playing your stupid girly semantic games again.
    Its not ” just disagree” I gave examples on every issue of how your thinking is flawed that you have not countered a single thing.
    Contradiction is valid in arguing “CONTRA” being the main application suggesting I am offering opposing thoughts that counter yours.
    Grow up.

    Where the Taliban are from is really irrelevant.

    All you can say is “HOPE”, “What have we got to lose ? And call people names like insipid, knee jerk bla bla bla .

    Whats there to really refute ?
    You havent laid out a damn thing explaining how something like this could come to any fruition ?
    Whereas I’ve given a ton of examples with comparisons to other similar initiatives of why I think it is stupid, careless, dangerous, wont work and you’ve yet to offewr a decent argument against any of it except to try and sidetrack yourself out a losing an argument by being up the origins of the Taliban.

    You say theres hope and we have nothing to lose.
    Thats pretty much all you’ve said,
    I made the case as to why I think you’re wrong.

    Your turn.

  13. Micky, you guys were saying the same thing about the Iraqi insurgents, ex-Baathists, etc, and now they’re all part of the Iraqi gov’t and forces. Reality kicked in, and even Bush, one of our most intransigent presidents, had to concede that nessecity. That’s the exact same thing that’s going on in Afghanistan today. You guys just need to grow up and accept that reality is not always what you want it to be.

    JMJ

  14. Micky 2 says:

    Not at all.
    Whay is it about you that posses you to think you can just say crap and asumme that anyone, especially me, will just accept it at face value and go “oh, gee, O.K., whatever you say Mr hateful spiteful partisan moonbat” ?

    The Iraqi insurgets were a different story.
    They are nothing like the Taliban at all.
    Thery both have two totally different ideologies and missions and for you to put them together as somehow having anything in common is plain idiotic and ignorant.
    What did have something if not everything in common with the Taliban was Al Queda in Iraq which was removed by a show of force by the US surge made applicable by cooperation from locals.
    Afghanistan jas ungovernable borders, no resources or the same strategic positioning, no civil society or capital infrastructure, Iraq has a larger sect of sectarianism, except for the Kurds, they have a larger national identity Afghanistan simply does not have any of this.
    Its nothing but a bunch of rural individuals who are defined primarily by their tribal and familial ties. The surge, as it was conducted in Iraq, will succeed if the United States military becomes the largest arbiter of force which is all these idiuots relate to, in other words the US has to be the most powerful warlord in their country or we’ll simply be looked at as nothing but weal kiss a$$ appeasers.

    Now, in order to keep from looking like a fool make your case how talks would apply, what they need to consist of to apply and render results instead of just saying “we can only hope” or “we have nothing to lose” or bashing Bush or making that asinine comparison to Iraq.

    Your position and statements are weak and void of any sort of convincing.
    I’m tired of your stupid games.
    I dont need no stinkin history lesson or having Obama compared to your ill concieved renditions of Bush failures.
    That sh*t just doesnt fly buddy.

  15. Micky 2 says:

    should say;

    in other words the US has to be the most powerful warlord in their country or we’ll simply be looked at as nothing but weak kiss a$$ appeasers if they dont follow thru with the original intent of killing all terrorists and those who aid them.

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