It seems that the anti-Semites at UCLA, just like their Palestinian homicide bomber friends, just cannot stop themselves.
As we get to the latest terror supporting professor at UCLA, a brief history lesson is required.
In late January of 2009, I attended a symposium at UCLA entitled “Gaza and Human Rights.” The symposium was pure blood libel. It was your standard anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, left-wing, terrorist justifying claptrap. On February 3rd, 2009, I published an extensive writeup of the event, part of which was published for Campus Watch and Front Page Magazine.
https://tygrrrrexpress.com/2009/02/terrorism-and-blood-libel-reaches-ucla/
On February 4th, 2009, Judea Pearl, the father of butchered Jew Daniel Pearl, offered his assessment in the Wall Street Journal. The terrorist supporters that made up this faculty symposium neglected to mention their colleague Judea or Daniel, who was murdered for the crime of EWJ (Existing While Jewish).
On February 5th, 2009, Lisa Hajjar, one of the terrorist supporting “academic scholars,” had her department shut down for “budgetary reasons.” She was the woman who screamed at me at the Symposium that, “My Zionist hat was screwed on way too tight!”
https://tygrrrrexpress.com/2009/02/an-arab-terrorist-professor-surrenders/
On February 9th, 2009, I published delightfully spectacular hate mail. As I have often mused, Arab terrorist enablers do not need a homeland. They need a thesaurus.
https://tygrrrrexpress.com/2009/02/more-irrational-hate-mail-from-arab-terrorist-lunatics/
Now that we are up to the present, a friend of mine has been attacked by another example of the decline of UCLA as an institution of higher learning. My friend Ben Meiselman had the nerve, as did I, to publish a column condemning the hate speech that masqueraded as anything offering an iota of academic thought.
For this, another leftist academic bully has surfaced. Her name is Sondra Hale.
She refers to herself as “the chair of the Faculty Advisory Committee of the Center for Near Eastern Studies.”
In other words, she lacks an actual job that contributes anything useful to society.
I will not be linking to her column because nothing can be gleaned from her of any value. I shall simply offer some of her own words to show why, like colon cancer, she is another pain in the rumpus that should be removed from UCLA before her disease filled words spread any further.
“I have to wonder, as anyone who attended the symposium might have wondered, if Meiselman had actually attended the panel or if a member of the neo-conservative Campus Watch (all too present at the event) reported it to him.”
So she posits that he fabricated his story. She offers no evidence for her “theory.” Then she attacks “Neocons,” which as we all know, is another way of slandering the people that have big noses and are diamond merchants. Stupid is as stupid does, Ms. Gump Hale. Also, she resents the fine people at Campus Watch because they have the nerve to disagree with her. She supports hate, Campus Watch opposes it.
“However, to not present the humanitarian crisis in a vacuum, two UCLA faculty and two UC Santa Barbara faculty presented historical and legal factors, placing Israel and Palestine and the Gaza Strip in context.”
Nothing was in context, and just because five thugs with fancy titles spoke crisply (well two of them anyway) does not mean anything they said was accurate. A guy can call himself the CEO of executive managerial operations at McDonalds, which means he flips burgers with a suit on. It doesn’t make him an expert on worldwide food trends. The presentation at UCLA may have been hysterical, but not historical.
Sondra Hale then goes on to claim that these five insignificant non-entities were “well respected.” This is because in academia, people speak to people they agree with, compliment each others’ works and like-minded opinions, and call that success and critical thinking.
“Clearly, these are scholars who are very well-informed on the subject of the symposium and whose scholarship is beyond repute. They are scholars who bring pride to the University of California. This was a group of highly informed and qualified Jews, Israelis, Arabs and Arab Americans examining and trying to make sense of the human disaster of Gaza and criticizing the state policies that have lead to this calamity.”
Clearly? Beyond repute? Scholars? Highly informed? Apparently knowledge and grasp of facts no longer qualify. What Jews? It was a 100% Arab symposium bashing Jews. There was no Jewish perspective offered.
“No one on the panel exempted Hamas or suicide bombers from charges of human rights abuses or violations of international law. All clearly condemned the Hamas rocket attacks.”
This is a bold faced lie. Sareek Makdisi loudly thundered, “If you want the rocket attacks to stop, then end the occupation.” That is not condemnation. That is justification.
As for Ms. Hajjar and her claim that suicide bombings were an act of “perfidy,” she could not have used more tepid or tortured language. She then made the moral equivalence claim. What she did not say was that she condemned the suicide bombings. None of them did. In fact, her irritation at being forced to even address the issue was what led her to make her anti-Semitic remark towards me.
Ms. Hale, I WAS THERE.
Nothing you can say will change that. Trying to erase me from that room is no different than fictional invented creatures known as Palestinians, or as they should be called, “defective Arabs,” trying to erase Israel off of the map.
If Ms. Hale wants to attack my friend Ben Meiselman, let her come after me.
No amount of whitewashing will get the blood off of her hands. I heard and saw every word.
Now if only Ms. Hale were forced to live in some of the Arab countries under Sharia Law, she would not be so quick to criticize the democracy of Israel for its justified use of self defense against Arab terrorist murderers.
Ms. Hale has some letters after her name. Do not confuse this with actually knowing anything, or communicating anything truthfully.
Ms. Hale supports murderous monsters. I support the Jews of Israel.
I was there. I could remark that perhaps her burka is wrapped on too tight, but I have no desire to sink to the levels of the animals.
Besides, perhaps her girdle can be stretched into a burka in the same way the Palestinians try to stretch their fictional existence from zero square feet to the entire state of Israel. Like her overtight girdle that is restricting the flow of oxygen to whatever passes for her cranial cavity, the only solution to the Palestinians is to choke off their supply of everything until their fanatical death cult ceases to exist.
They will act civilized, or they will be treated like animals, which is how they act now.
THAT is what Ms. Hale should mention in the future.
She can’t. She would not know how. After all, she does not know anything. She is merely a left-wing “academic.”
eric
I’ve given thought to just how much time and effort should be given to
fighting the issues mentioned in this comment, whether at UCLA or
anywhere else in the USA, on other campuses, etc.
While their accusations, lies, and propaganda cannot go unanswered,
we sometimes have to question the efficacy of responding ( at forums,
etc.).
I, for one, have not for years been an advocate of building, building, more
and more Holocaust museums. One day at work, I happen to express my
disapproval to a black-coworker..saying that the money spent should
be given to Israel instead, the purpose being to have more of their own
funds available to manufacture (or buy) bullets, bullet proof vests, etc.
I was tired of memorials to the dead, and the somewhat artificial tears
shed.
She became visably angry at the idea I would suggest the refocus.
At that time,
San Francisco Jews were planning a 50 million dollar museum in their area, the same city that has over a 70% intermarriage rate (fully three
quarters of Jewish offspring raised by one non-Jewish spouse do not
associate with Judaism).
While I do respect every religion, I happen to believe Judaism, with it’s one
G-d theology, is the significant difference between us and others.
I question therefore whether putting such emphasis on fighting bigotry and
hatred against us and our people, vs supporting the only homeland
in 2,000 years which gives us the opportunity to defend ourselves, should
be the focus of our efforts?
Or as one survivor of a concerntration told me several years ago, “We are all forunate to be living in the USA, where there are organizations (and police forces) that will defend our rights and other’s rights”.
The statement, “Police are like donuts, they must have holes made in them” made by insurgents and rioters in certain European countries must never be allowed here inciting or heard at demonstrations.
To that extent, through proper law enforcement and legal means, those that shout “Kill the juice” must be stopped.
Certainly, the U of California alumni must not accept what is happening
on their campuses without action. I read that liberal Jewish
groups and rabbis are now pissed off at some of the remarks at these conferences, people who adovate allowing open discussion.
I mean, free speech can go just so far. Today, the Jews, tomorrow whom?
I did a week in review TGIF addition:)
The Week in Review Current Topical Events from the Past Week.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/02/tgif-circus-life-i-write-sins-not.html
It is not good form to quote people without linking them. If you want to exclaim your superior civility, you should at least try to live up to it.
I don’t see here where anyone was attacked in any way. I think you’re being rather insanely defensive, much as Campus Watch is known to be.
No quote you showed here displayed any “justification” of suicide bombing or terrorism. Justification asserts that something is justly done. No one said that suicide bombings and terrorism is just. Rather, they simply stated the obvious – the Palestinians are reacting to Israeli occupation of their land. Period. That IS the reason. It doesn’t not justify their reaction, as any sane and civil person finds terrorism abhorant, but simply explains why they’re doing it. The problem many people – on ALL sides of the political spectrum worldwide – have with Israel these days is that they just continue to do the same failed things over and over while the situation gets worse and worse, and a violent cycle has been snowballing out of control.
It is not good form to behave like people who’s behavior you condemn. If Israel wants to show its superior civility, it should at least try to live up to it.
JMJ
Oops!
“It doesn’t not justify their reaction”
Should be: It doesn’t justify their reaction…
JMJ
Eric- there’s something I’d like you to clarify. Now, I realize that you’re of Jewish descent, and thus feel a tribal need to defend your people. I understand this.
What I don’t understand is why Israel is such a critical issue for our Nation. It’s a foreign nation- why are we intervening instead of letting them solve their own problems? Why is their problem necessarily ours?
I’m not saying I don’t think Israel is in the right here, but I just don’t understand why it’s an American issue at all. Why are we involved as a nation? Why not just stand back and let them solve their own problems?
As for the issue of building more Holocaust museums- just remember, one mans Holocaust memorial is another mans Anti German Hate Speech. Right now we live in a culture where anyone who shows any semblence of pride in their European heritage is immediately dubbed either a Nazi or a White Supremacist, and then condemned universally.
And that ain’t right.
Why should I have to forfeit thousands of years of my tribal culture and heritage because a psychotic vegetarian seized control of a country and proceeded to commit attrocities?
I question the long term value of Holocaust Museums. Yes, we should never forget what happened, and yes, we should make sure that this never happens again- but must thousands of years of culture be held hostage because of a new found hate for all things German? It’s a double edged sword, and I feel I must question how it’s being wielded.
Is there a way to prevent Genocide and respect all tribal cultures individually?
I suppose I’m just asking “Can’t we all just get along?” And it’s a good question. Just not sure of the answers.
-Hauk
“It is not good form to quote people without linking them. If you want to exclaim your superior civility, you should at least try to live up to it.”
Not any better a form than to call people liars and say things that are not provable.
In Erics case at least he lists a name, occasion, website to search on your own.
He clearly states that its only because they dont deserve the traffic.
Wise up.
“It is not good form to behave like people who’s behavior you condemn. If Israel wants to show its superior civility, it should at least try to live up to it.”
Eric hasnt tied bombs to his relatives and sent them off to die, or stolen aid for poor Israeli children and used it for a terrorist regime, last I checked.
JMJ;
“No quote you showed here displayed any “justification” of suicide bombing or terrorism. Justification asserts that something is justly done. ”
Sondra Hale;
“If you want the rocket attacks to stop, then end the occupation.”
That in itself says that their attacks are justified on the basis of Israels occupation.
Whereas on the other hand, Israel has clearly stated with no omissions that the occupation will end when the bombing ends.
Its the same as lying by omission Jersey. Something you yourself are very good at attempting and have been caught doing by myself many times.
If you bolster all your own actions but not condemn the faulty ones then you are propelling a myth by asserting incomplete info.
The fact is, that she does not elaborate on, is that many many times Israel has already offered concessions only to be bombed again.
Occupations do not kill people as bombs do.
NO !!!
The bombs that kill people stop and then the occupation attempting to stop those bombs will end.
Thats how it works amongst most people who have a ounce of understanding in their noggins.
JMJ;
“have with Israel these days is that they just continue to do the same failed things over and over ”
You consistantly push the anti semite envelope.
Eric has said that he doesnt believe you’re an anti semite.
In my opinion, you dont do it in an up front deliberate fashion because it seems you often choose to justify the actions of a genocidal community and critisize the actions of those who defend themselves from such evil.
When is the last time you accused the Palestinians of doing the same failed things oer and over ? I’ve searched back in our debates on this issue and can nothing where you condemn the Palestinians like you do the US or Israel by always saying ” The same repeated mistakes” or something of that fashion ever !
The majority of these people are innocent by default only.
They elected this murdering government into power and now must reap the consequences of their actions.
You do support democracy , right ?
Well, the majority in this case will have to pay a price for the actions they took by electing into power a deal with the devil in the details.
Netanyahu is probably putting together a nice little care package for Iran, Syria, and Hamas as we speak.
I’m willing to bet that since the IAEA just found out that Iran has 30% more nuclear material than they disclosed, just proved they have a delivery system, you will not see Israel employ the same old “FAILED METHODS” of a pacifistic liberal ideology this time around.
This is how moronically of the chart leftist I think you are.
I’m willing to bet that even Obama, the most liberal president ever, will reckognize the impending doom and give Israel permission to re-fuel over Iraq.
But if I’m wrong, I wont be surprised.
Hauk, if I may, what the %$#@ are you talking about??? We support Israel because we have a large Jewish population, because it’s the least we owe them after turning our backs during all those endless years of abuse and murder, because when THEY CAME TO US AFTER THE HOLOCAUST, WE TOLD THEM TO GO AWAY, and because if it weren’t for a few good Jewish gentlemen that supported our fledgling republic THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE A UNITED STATES TODAY – and there’d be no Christianity either, by the way. And where the hell else were they supposed to go? They went back to their original homeland. You certainly can’t blame them for not wanting to live in places where they’d been massacred by the millions, by your beloved Europeans by the way. You can’t blame the refugees for being turned away by the US and British Commonwealth nations. They went to the only place they could think of, the place they believed God personally gave them and promised to protect them upon. Sure, it would have been nice for all involved if we’d just given them Texas, but you can’t blame them for that either. I don’t think we should always agree, regardless if they’re right or wrong, with Israel any more than we should always agree with anyone on those terms. But that doesn’t mean we should be good friends, good neighbors in the international community. It is always in every great nation’s interest to support peace and prosperity and the brotherhood of man. Why the hell would you questrion THAT???
And what is this phony, utter and total NONSENSE about “Right now we live in a culture where anyone who shows any semblence of pride in their European heritage is immediately dubbed either a Nazi or a White Supremacist, and then condemned universally “??? What??? Where the hell do you live??? There are Octoberfests everywhere! You can’t swing a stick without hitting an Italian restaurant! People wear flags of their ancestral European homes on their T-Shirts all the time! There’s St. Patricks Day, Christmas (a Germanic-Christian Holiday)! You can study almost all the European languages in any public school!
Nobody condemns anybody for celebrating their European heritage UNTIL they make comments like this:
“I question the long term value of Holocaust Museums.”
You do, huh?
As long as there are people like you, there will be a need for Holocaust museums.
Micky,
Don’t use that “anti semite” shtick on me. I’m just stating things as they are. I stand by everything I said.
JMJ
Oops again!
“But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be good friends, good neighbors in the international community.”
I really have to proofread what I post!
JMJ
“Don’t use that “anti semite” shtick on me. I’m just stating things as they are. ”
So am I.
And I made it clear that facts give me reason for my opinion.
Its amazing how you seem to find it in your heart to blast Israel more than you do the Palestinians.
Thats alright, I get it.
If Israel was to totally submit to your suggestions and then get wiped out thats when you would start condeming the Palestinians for their choices ?
What am I talking about? Israel is CURRENTLY a sovereign, independent nation. What I question is why we are meddling in their affairs- they have a problem, let them deal with it.
Why should we let our collective guilt over failing to stop Hitler earlier guide our actions today? Remember your history- there were tales of similar attrocities during WW1, almost all of which turned out to be false. When the same rumors came around during WW2, our country unfortunately decided not to act on them fearing they might also be false. We made a tragic mistake. But why should that now guide our foreign policy?
We used to be close allies with France, 200 years ago. Does that mean we need to do everything they say? We were at War with England 200 years ago. Does that mean we need to start fighting with them?
“because if it weren’t for a few good Jewish gentlemen that supported our fledgling republic THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE A UNITED STATES TODAY – and there’d be no Christianity either, by the way.”
No Christianity? You mean we wouldn’t have two thousand years of oppression, slavery, subjugation of women, enforced cultural genocide, and mass murder in the name of a pissant carpenter? You say that like it were a bad thing… but then, I’m not a Christian.
So yeah- we made some mistakes. Why does that mean we need to act today in a matter that is not our concern?
As for our culture- Octoberfest and St Patricks Day are festivals centered on the consumption of alcohol. There is nothing culturally significant in them. If anyone suggested Martin Luther King Jr Day was a day to get drunk and eat fried chicken, they’d be strung up by Al Sharpton as a racist. But apparently it’s okay to sum up the entire Irish culture as “let’s drink green beer and get sloshed!”
The Anti Defamation League lists cultural symbols that are thousands of years old as hate symbols- Mjolnir, Valknuts, Runes- many key cultural items that predate the third reich. I wear a Mjolnir pendant, as does my sister- and we’ve been accused of being racists because of it. Anything Northern European now has a cultural “taint” of being racist.
Funny, I’ve a black friend who also wears a Mjolnir Pendant- and he’s been accused or racism for it too! Explain that one to me…
Christmas is not a Germanic holiday- it’s Middle Eastern. Yule is a Germanic/Scandinavian holiday that was coopted by Christian missionaries. They took the trappings of the holiday and applied it to theirs in an effort to wipe out the indiginous religions of Northern Europe.
European history/language in our schools? Not anymore. Now we have Black History Month, and Hispanic Cultural Month, and Asian History Month, and Middle Eastern Sensitivity Month- that leaves one month to prepare for standardized testing. There’s no European history in the schools anymore. Nor the languages- you get a choice of Spanish or Spanish these days. German and French are nonexistant.
And I love how you prove my point:
“As long as there are people like you, there will be a need for Holocaust museums.”
I’ve never killed anyone in my life. I have many friends of many races, religions, creeds, orientations, etc.- but because I question this issue, you feel I need lessons on genocide. Because I offer an opinion that is different that yours, you equate me with the third reich. How very tolerant of you.
I question the Long Term Value of such a museum because it is geared to promote Hate towards anything German- NOT to stop atrocities like genocide. Where are the museums to the victims in Rwanda? Or the Ethnic cleansing during the 90s in Bosnia? What about the killings in East Timor? What about the killings between Turkey and Armenia?
Show me a museum that is geared towards stopping ALL forms of genocide and I’ll support it. When it’s just a giant hate fest towards all things German, then I cannot support it.
Micky, I fail to see how I am suggesting any such a thing.
Hauk, yes, I know, Israel is a sovereign state, and you should know that we are a massive empire. We’re involved with sovereign nations all over the world. That’s why you can enjoy all the benefits of being an American. That’s why you can buy every imaginable food under the sun. That’s why you can drive cars built all over the world, let alone put oil and gas in them. That’s why you can go to Walmart and buy stuff made from all over the planet at unbeatable prices. There are serious problems that come with empire, but there’s a considerable upside as well. Somehow I doubt you’d be willing to give up those upsides.
One thing I forgot to mention is that Israel is a major international trader. Though Israel is a small country, and therefore does not import or export all that much for itself, it is a very important international shipping hub. Many tens of millions of tons of goods move through the ports of Haifa and Ashdod every year. Strategically, Israel is key to our international trade supply chain.
As for history, you’re arguing with the wrong guy. If you actually take the time to study the period, you’ll note that the scope of atrocities commited by the Nazis were barely known to anyone outside where the atrocities happened until well after the war, in the 1950’s. Tales of the horrors were quite intentionally suppressed by the US government during and after the war for a variety of reasons, from trying to ease the large number of Germanic Americans (our largest ethnic block – and always was), to keeping the refugees out to placate the large number of American Christian antisemities. We forget that back then “Christian Conservatives” hated the Jews.
As for Christianity, I won’t argue with that. I think all religion is stupid. But it is a fact of life and we do have to realistically deal with it.
I had to look up what a “Mjolnir” is and I’m pretty well rounded. I find it very hard to believe that anyone would react to such a pendant with any response other than, “What’s that?” Very hard to believe.
And I don’t know where you live (AntiScandinavianMexicoLand?), but the general teaching of European languages and history remain the same as ever in our public schools. If anything, ALL foreign language and ALL history teaching has suffered in recent years to make room for stupid ideas like NCLB, and to try to teach kids how to read and do math because our culture in general is a disaster area. I blame conservatism for that.
Holocaust museums (and Christ man – there ain’t all that many of them! What the hell are you complaininfg about?) are there to remind us of just how savage “civil” societies can be. Whenever I hear some shmuck talk about how people of European descent are so much more “civilized” and “advanced” I remind them of the horrors we – our culture, the one we owe our existence to, the one you are a part of and owe your life and personality to whether you’ve ever killed anyone or not – have wrought upon the Earth. 6 million dead Jews. 3 million dead Vietnamese. Countless unknown millions of peoples in the old Soviet Union. 50 million killed all told just in WWII, just because the Nazis.
It has nothing to do with Germans. It could have happened to any people. It’s not about hating germans. That’s just nonsense, and only an idiot would take that from a holocaust museum. It’s about always holding dear to our rights and responsibilities, our higher ideals and better angels.
Get over yourself.
JMJ
“As for Christianity, I won’t argue with that. I think all religion is stupid.”
Nice try
Hauk wasnt arguing on that point with you.
You claim to be a student of history and dont even know that the origins of the “Christ Mass” were Middle Eastern.
That was his point.
“It has nothing to do with Germans.”
I have to agree with Hauk that we dont see any other museums condemning this behavior by other cultures.
Be interseting to see how many museums go up in memorance of 911 while focusing primarily on radical Islam.
I’ll probably never see the day with moonbats around who will defend their actions as part of their culture.
Micky- you make a great point. Terrorism takes many faces- not just Radical Islam. The Irish Republican Army is one of the biggest terrorist groups of the past century. There are Basque Separatists waging terrorist acts in the Iberian Peninsula. Eco Terrorists abound all over. There were gassings in the Tokyo Subways a few years back (I forget who perpetrated that one.)
But Radical Islam is the current “bad guy”. The easy target.
A lot of people tend to focus on the easy target, as is the case with most German bashing. The history of mankind is written in blood- it just depends on whose blood.
And Jersey- Mjolnir is more commonly known as a Thors Hammer Pendant. If you’re such a big student of history, then you must have heard of Thor. I prefer to use it’s proper name Mjolnir- personal preference.
And I don’t think all religion is stupid. I’m extremely spiritual and dedicated to my religion. I just don’t think anyone claiming credit for Christianities success is a particularly benevolent thing. My $0.02.
Those of you who cannot understand why the USA supports Israel as we do, don’t have any concept of geopolitics. They also don’t know the Bible. My God tells us that those who bless Israel will be blessed. As a US Marine, I can very much appreciate the fact that the little, tiny country of Israel is the major democratic country in the middle east and has been able to keep all those huge Islamic countries at bay since 1947. I am a born-again Christian and most of our ilk love and support Israel personally. You go Israel…..!
Micky and Hauk, get real. Christmas as we know it today in the West is a modren European holiday. Throughout the history of Christianity, Christmas was an insignificant event, the timing of which was not even mentioned in the Bible. Later, the holiday was created to coopt the Pagan Winter Solstice, and much later it was coopted to sell crap at Macys.
Like I said, all religion is stupid.
“I have to agree with Hauk that we dont see any other museums condemning this behavior by other cultures.”
That’s because we arne’t other cultures, geniuses. We are Europeans – just Europeans who happen to live on the other side of the Atlantic. The Holocaust was one of the most significant events in modern Western history.
As for 9/11, if the number of museums dedicated to that is proportional for the number of deaths to the number of museums dedicated to the Holocaust, then there’d be all of one museum the sixe of a broom closet. 9/11 was a terrible day, but on the list of bad things that have happened and regularly do happen to Americans, it’s a blip on the screen. Only you loony fear-mongerers make such a ludicrous deal out of 9/11.
“Eco-terrorists,” Hauk? Really? Are you sane?
Guys, let me add a little non-stupid perspective here…
9/11 – 3000 murddered
Eco-Terrorism – Not one single soul ever killed
Holocaust – 6000000 murdered
Any of this sinking in here, guys?
Hauk, I told you I looked up your silly pendant. Yes, I’ve heard of Thor, I just didn’t know you were some kind of new age neo-nordic pagan.
Again, all religion – including new age neo-nordic paganism – is stupid.
JMJ
“Micky and Hauk, get real. Christmas as we know it today in the West is a modren European holiday.”
Here we go again, Jersey starts sidestepping.
Jersey said;
“if it weren’t for a few good Jewish gentlemen that supported our fledgling republic THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE A UNITED STATES TODAY – and there’d be no Christianity either, by the way.”
And jersey was wrong, so what does he do ?
He tries to change the application of what he was saying by diverting to “as we know it today”
Christianity was around long before it hit Europe.
Period.
“Eco-Terrorism – Not one single soul ever killed”
Yea right.
The French heatwaves where people we not able to afford the juice to power their A/C.
All the houses that have burned/people dieng because of stupid environmentalists.
The DDT bulls*it.
Ecologists and their offshoot sibling environmentalism have killed many people.
911 wasnt the only day in that radical Islam has claimed lives you imbicile.
Nice try, trying to take me out of context again, I said “with the the primary focus being on radical Islam”.
But why am I not surprised ?
Because you could never argue with fact or honesty, thats why.
Thats was really dumb.
My ancestors were Vikings , I’m Danish German and Mahican, the Mahican part is a long story,I own quite a few “Thors Hammers” that my Danish relatives are always sending me, I’ve never been accused of anything for wearing one.
So, I’m like a decendant of vikings, part American Indian who sold out to the Europeans, (my other ancestors) for a lousy turkey.
Jeez, what do I do now ?
“Like I said, all religion is stupid.”
Like I say.
If you’re right and theres nothing there when I die, then I have nothing to worry about, right ?
But if I’m right and you’re not.
You’re in deep Kim Chee
Micky, are you siding with this guy? Really? I smell something is rotten in the state of Denmark,… or Norway, or Sweden, or wherever Hauk calls his ancestral home.
Christmas was a nominal holiday until relatively recently in history, especially here in the West, where WE live.
No person has ever been murdered by an “eco-terrorist.” Period. And to suggest that environmentalism has ever killed anyone – other than perhaps environmentalists killed by governments or corporate interests – is stupid, at best.
9/11 was a terrible day. In the annals of history, it will be but a footnote regarding the decline of the American empire in that our reaction to 9/11 was stupider than stupid can be.
“If you’re right and theres nothing there when I die, then I have nothing to worry about, right ?
But if I’m right and you’re not.”
Ya’ know, Micky, I always laugh at that one. I don’t know how to answer that because either answer upsets people, and it’s ironic in that I could say the same thing about lots of stuff you cons don’t believe, but I wouldn’t want to be a hypocrite.
For example:
If you’re right and there’s no anthropomorphic global climate change, then I have nothing to worry about, right ?
But if I’m right and you’re not. …
or…
If you’re right and there’s no need to further regulate markets, then I have nothing to worry about, right ?
But if I’m right and you’re not. …
It’s funny.
But I do have a difference. You see, if there is a God, and that God happens to be anything like the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, then really, I wouldn’t want to have anything to do with him. He’s a *&^%$#@!*&^%. I’d much rather spend an eternity in Valhalla, even if it is just an annoying Norse testosterone soup. So, maybe you guys are cool with a polluted planet and a collasped economy over a few changes and regulations here and there. Who am I to say?
This I will say – if you guys think there are too many Holocaust museums, then I’ll stand with those liberal Jews you all find so abhorant, any day.
JMJ
JMJ;
“Micky, are you siding with this guy?”
Well, technically and factually he was right about Christmas, and you werent.
“Christmas was a nominal holiday until relatively recently in history, especially here in the West, where WE live.”
Aside from that you were still wrong in saying we wouldnt have it here in America if it werent for the Jews.
You basically were saying that had it not been for the Jews that originally settled our shores there would be no Christianity in this country, thats was plain stupid and wrong.
JMJ;
“if it weren’t for a few good Jewish gentlemen that supported our fledgling republic THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE A UNITED STATES TODAY – and there’d be no Christianity either,”
When the fact is that Christianity was around long long long before that.
For you to argue against that statement is just foolish.
“No person has ever been murdered by an “eco-terrorist.” Period. And to suggest that environmentalism has ever killed anyone – other than perhaps environmentalists killed by governments or corporate interests – is stupid, at best.”
The point you’re making as to whether or not it was an incorportaed interest or goverment backed eco-ism or environmentlist is irrelevant and just another obfuscation or sidestep on your part.
Environmentalism and eco terrorism as a movement has killed people.
“11 was a terrible day. In the annals of history, it will be but a footnote regarding the decline of the American empire in that our reaction to 9/11 was stupider than stupid can be.”
Once again, you’re being disengenuous in focusing “ONLY” on 911 as I’ve already mentioned twice now that I was saying the emphasis should be on Radical Islam, and not 911 only.
Look acrosss the world just in the last 50 years and the death rate as a result of Radicasl Islam is into the hundreds of thousands if not millions over the span of centuries.
Whats worse is its getting worse, it is now a movement based on the doctrine of Nazi Germany with the Islamic brotherhood we see today having its roots in and with Nazi Germany and the WW2 era.
Without going off into the documentation I’ve already shown before proving this I’ll make the originbal point I was getting at.
That point would be that because of our fear of upsetting anyone in this country and all the PC bullsh*t we see around us dont see museums raising awareness to a problem that is not only prevalent in our society , but across the world also.
Theres a ton of WW2 and holocaust museums around that bring awareness to the problem, but only after the fact.
So, O.K., I realize you cant have a museum for an event that actually hasnt taken place, but we could have visual symposeums that show people what radical Islam is doing all over the world right now to millions if innocent people from S. Africa, to Indonesia, to the Middle East, Asia and right here at home.
Why donr we do it ?
Because theres people out there that are more worried about hurting the feelings of a few who dont care or dont get it instead of educating our people on what a growing movement it is.
We have cells popping up everywhere across the planet who have never even met with a middle eastern operative but still operate in the name of Bin Laden/Al Queda and create their little gangs as homage to the movement.
Its become an ideology that does not require you to be that of the original breed we saw in the last 50 years. They are no longer just Arabs.
Jeez, they’ve got like 10 guys right now at Gitmo that are Chinese nationals who are scheduled to be released but we cant for fear that their homeland will torture them.
Gee, how bout that huh ?
The torturing Americans keeping our enemies from being tortured.
Wonder why that little tid bit never shows up on the front page of the Times ?
JMJ;
“If you’re right and there’s no anthropomorphic global climate change, then I have nothing to worry about, right ?
But if I’m right and you’re not. …”
Look Jersey, you guys make this claim based on bias funded subjective science.
Its a not of a spiritual nature and I’m not shoving my belief upon the WHOLE FREAKING WORLD NOW AM I ????
“If you’re right and there’s no need to further regulate markets, then I have nothing to worry about, right ?
But if I’m right and you’re not. …”
Theres a difference between oversight and regulation.
If you close your mind to the potential for either one to be true, you’re screwing yourself. In opening my mind I’ve come closer to believing that everything just works too damn well and makes too much sense to be an accident.
Much like global warming, I’ve never ever doubted that man has an impact on environment, only a complete BOZO would think that.
Its the ulterior motives behind the movement of propelling myths only to change society and create socialist rule that bothers me.
And yes, it always was a conflicting message that came from my Danish relatives and ancestors.
Thor, trolls, and all of that while being forced to go to Lutheran Church every Sunday is just the beggining of what led me away from organized religion.
JMJ;
“few changes and regulations here and there.”
he he, talk about minimization ?????
Whoooowee are you missing the big picture.
Are calling everything that Obama has done in the last 3 weeks “a few” ?
You need your head examined.
If our host doesnt mind, I doubt he will, I want to bring some attention to friend of mines story who did a tour in Iraq loosing both his feet.
True American champion dudes, check it out.
“Meet Detective Ken Leonard of the High Point, North Carolina Police Department. Three years ago, he was in Taji, Iraq training local Iraqis to become policemen. While he was there, his humvee hit a roadside bomb, shredding his feet and forcing a double amputation. Read more about his remarkable story, see his photos from Iraq, and watch an awesome video below.”
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2670
“Aside from that you were still wrong in saying we wouldnt have (Christmas) here in America if it werent for the Jews.”
What??? Where do you think Christianity came from? A vacuum? Jesus was a Jew, Micky! Where the hell have you been? And America itself might not even exist if it weren’t for Jews like Benedict Spinoza, Haym Solomon, among many others! Learn your history, man!
“Environmentalism and eco terrorism as a movement has killed people.”
That’s a LIE. You have no PROOF. You are LYING.
“Look acrosss the world just in the last 50 years and the death rate as a result of Radicasl Islam is into the hundreds of thousands if not millions over the span of centuries.”
The same could be sqaid of Christians – only it’s is HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.
And the reason we have Holocaust museums is that it is RELEVENT to we people of the West. We don;t have museums for other, non-Western – atrocities because they are not as relevent to us and our society.
“We have cells popping up everywhere across the planet who have never even met with a middle eastern operative but still operate in the name of Bin Laden/Al Queda and create their little gangs as homage to the movement.”
Another LIE with no PROOF. Al Qaeda is now a small oeration with all of a couple thousand operators. Look it up.
And there’s a TON of evidence for natural evolution, global anthropomorphic climate change, and the necessity of well regulated markets. There is NO evidence whatsoever pointing toward the existence of a god.
JMJ
Jersey, you’re just trying to make up for saying something really stupid again.
You said if it werent fir the Jews coming to Americas shores we wouldnt of had christianity here.
here we go, once again, read your own crap and just shut up already.
JMJ;
“if it weren’t for a few good Jewish gentlemen that supported our fledgling republic THERE WOULDN’T EVEN BE A UNITED STATES TODAY – and there’d be no Christianity either,”
Dont lay your asinine games with me.
“That’s a LIE. You have no PROOF. You are LYING.”
Yea ?
I’ll use just one example, you’re the liar, always have been.
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Environmental Prohibition on Pesticide Spreads Malaria
Ever since Rachel Carson’s 1962 book Silent Spring, environmental extremists have sought to ban all DDT use. Using phony studies from the ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND and the Natural Resources Defense Council, the environmental activist-controlled Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) banned DDT in 1972.
The extremists convinced the nation that DDT was not only unsafe for humans but unsafe to birds and other creatures as well. Their arguments have since been scientifically refuted.
While DDT saved crops, forests and livestock, it also saved humans.
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In 1970, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences estimated that DDT saved more than 500-million lives during the time it was widely used. A scientific review board of the EPA showed that DDT is not harmful to the environment and showed it to be a beneficial substance that “should not be banned.” According to the World Health Organization, worldwide malaria infects 300-million people. About 1 million die of malaria each year. Most of the victims are in Africa, and most are children.
In Sri Lanka, in 1948, there were 2.8-million malaria cases and 7,300 malaria deaths. With widespread DDT use, malaria cases fell to 17 and no deaths in 1963. After DDT use was discontinued, Sri Lankan malaria cases rose to 2.5 million in the years 1968 and 1969, and the disease remains a killer in Sri Lanka today.
More than 100,000 people died during malaria epidemics in Swaziland and Madagascar in the mid-1980s, following the suspension of DDT house spraying. After South Africa stopped using DDT in 1996, the number of malaria cases in KwaZuluNatal province skyrocketed from 8,000 to 42,000.
By 2000, there had been an approximate 400% increase in malaria deaths. Now that DDT is being used again, the number of deaths from malaria in the region has dropped from 340 in 2000 to none at the last reporting in February 2003.
In South America, where malaria is endemic, malaria rates soared in countries that halted house spraying with DDT after 1993-Guyana, Bolivia, Paraguay, Peru, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela. In Ecuador, DDT spraying was increased after 1993, and the malaria rate of infection was reduced by 60%.
In a 2001 study published by the London-based Institute for Economic Affairs, “Malaria and the DDT Story,” Richard Tren and Roger Bate say that “Malaria is a human tragedy,” adding, “Over 1 million people, mostly children, die from the disease each year, and over 300 million fall sick.”
The fact that DDT saves lives might account for part of the hostility toward it. Alexander King, founder of the Malthusian Club of Rome, wrote in a biographical essay in 1990: “My own doubts came when DDT was introduced. In Guyana, within two years, it had almost eliminated malaria. So my chief quarrel with DDT, in hindsight, is that it has greatly added to the population problem.” Dr. Charles Wurster, one of the major opponents of DDT, is reported to have said, “People are the cause of all the problems. We have too many of them. We need to get rid of some of them, and this (referring to malaria deaths) is as good a way as any.”
Spraying a house with small amounts of DDT costs $1.44 per year; alternatives are five to 10 times more, making them unaffordable in poor countries. Rich countries that used DDT themselves threaten reprisals against poor countries if they use DDT.
One really wonders about religious groups, the Congressional Black Caucus, government and non-government organizations, politicians and others who profess concern over the plight of poor people around the world while at the same time accepting or promoting DDT bans and the needless suffering and death that follow. Mosquito-borne malaria not only has devastating health effects but stifles economic growth as well.
Dr. Williams is a nationally syndicated columnist and former chairman of the economics department at George Mason University.
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Wanna see some more ?
“The same could be sqaid of Christians – only it’s is HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.”
Once again , try to stay focused grasshopper, we were talking about radical Islam since its creation, not the flu, cavemen, or serial murderers or any other group.
JMJ;
“Another LIE with no PROOF. Al Qaeda is now a small oeration with all of a couple thousand operators. Look it up. ”
O.K., I looked it up, even though thats your job.
HERE YA GO B A B Y !!!!
Countries that Al Qaida operates in
According to the United States Department of State, Al Qaida has operated in the following countries.
Albania
Algeria
Afghanistan
Azerbaijan
Australia
Austria
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Egypt
Eritrea
France
Germany
India
Iran
Ireland
Italy
Jordan
Kenya
Kosovo
Lebanon
Libya
Malaysia
Mauritania
Netherlands
Pakistan
Philippines
Qatar
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
South Africa
Sudan
Switzerland
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Tunisia
Turkey
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States
Uzbekistan
Yemen
“And there’s a TON of evidence for natural evolution, global anthropomorphic climate change, and the necessity of well regulated markets.”
Once again grasshopper, please,please,please,please READ !!!!!I said that I dont doubt that man has an effect on the environment.
I said;
“Much like global warming, I’ve never ever doubted that man has an impact on environment, only a complete BOZO would think that.
Its the ulterior motives behind the movement of propelling myths only to change society and create socialist rule that bothers me.”
Got it ?
Or do we have to go thru this all over again tomorrow , again ?
Micky, stop playing with my words. It’s juvenile. All I was saying is that there would be no Christianity, and may well be no Chrsitmas or America, were it not for the Jews. Are you going to deny that, or keep playing around like a teenager that just read “Arguing Semantics For Dummies”?
And stop with this Al Qaeda nonsense, already. They’ve been crippled and are persona non grata all over the world these days. Aside from in our Arabian “allies,” Al Qaeda ia practically extinct. They are still a threat, but not nearly what they were some years ago. There are, as you said, groups that associate themselves with Al Qaeda, but Al Qaeda itself has been vurtually decimated.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100160836&ft=1&f=1001
http://www.agentura.ru/english/experts/gunaratna/
My point about AGCC, is that you guys would do NOTHING about it, essentially the same point you were making about my religious practice (I do not), the difference being, I don’t care if I go to heaven just as apparently you do care if you live ina polluted world.
JMJ
Eric,
You are honored by your enemies. I attended the UCI version with some of the same speakers and wrote a report for it on Campus Watch and Frontpage. What I got was an arrogant response from one of the event organizers, Diane Shammas, who loves to point out that she is a PHD. I also got a four-letter tirade with an implied threat from one who purports to be a UCI student. No matter, I turned it over to UCI for their inaction.
Whether one defends Israel or not, what I find most disturbing is the resurgence of anti-Semitism that we see on our campuses and in our streets. It is disgraceful that our main-stream news media will not report the chants of “Long Live Hitler” and “Jews, go back to the ovens” that we are now hearing from some of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators. It is also happening in Canada, most recently, at York University. Yet, the public has to go on the Internet to even learn about it.
Gary Fouse
Adj teacher
UCI-Ext
fousesquawk
Jersey.
They’re your words , verbatum.
my point is even bolstered by Hauk applying the same correction to you.
We both took it the same way that you were saying that jews brought christianity here when thats absolutely wrong.
Its a Germainic rip off from the middle east brought here by European settlers, not the Jews.
You’re a perfect example of no matter how great a student of history you think you are, you still misrepresent the facts just to lie and make your point out of stupid childish ego.
I hate it when peopl try to tell me the moon is made out of cheese and then get all pi$$ed when I tell em they’re full of it.
Ya, know, I’ve offered you my olive branch before. Even going as far as to share my damn recipes with you, all I ask in return is a little honesty once in a while so that maybe amongst two of the greatest opposites there can be we find an answer or solution one day to something, fricking anything, I dont care, it could be the inadvertant migration deviation of the South African Dung Beetle.
“And stop with this Al Qaeda nonsense, already.”
Its not nonsense, there are many groups rising that have never even been to the middle east that simply do it out of love for the doctrine and the ideology.
“My point about AGCC, is that you guys would do NOTHING about it, essentially the same point you were making about my religious practice (I do not), the difference being, I don’t care if I go to heaven just as apparently you do care if you live ina polluted world.”
Sorry man, you’re just too thick to get it.
I’m all about keeping the planet pristine.
But if you try to sell me a bunch of crap in the name of global waeming or some carbon credits I’ll spit in your face.
Your science that its doomsday is flawed.
My beliefs are not, because thay are my beliefs
Jersey, by the way.
The amount of people that believe that we are rersposible for global warming is taking a dive also.
Al Gore’s side may be coming to power in Washington, but they appear to be losing the battle on the idea that humans are to blame for global warming.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/issues2/articles/44_say_global_warming_due_to_planetary_trends_not_people
“Forty-four percent (44%) of U.S. voters now say long-term planetary trends are the cause of global warming, compared to 41% who blame it on human activity.
And less people are worried about it today than ever before.
Additionally, only a little more than a third of Americans say that immediate, drastic action is needed in order to maintain life as we know it on the planet.
These results are from Gallup’s annual Environment poll, conducted March 6-9, 2008.
Give it up already.
JMJ;
“And stop with this Al Qaeda nonsense, already. They’ve been crippled and are persona non grata all over the world these days. Aside from in our Arabian “allies,” Al Qaeda ia practically extinct. ”
Yea, right.
Maybe in Afghanistan, but then why is Obama surging 17000 troops into the southern Afghanistan region ?
And why has ne not only maintained all of Bushs GWOT policies but executed additional strikes into Northern Pakistan ?
Besides that, you’re conveniently of message agin, I was not refering to Al Queda itaelf, I was refering to groups that are sympathetic to the ideology springing up across the planet.
Even right here at home.
“Scattered across the United States, unknown to all but a handful of citizens, are 35 Islamic terrorist training compounds known as “Muslims of America.” Under the leadership of a radical Pakistani cleric, Sheikh Mubarak Gilani, Muslims of America has thousands of devoted followers who are being groomed for HOMEGROWN JIHAD.
In never-before-seen video footage, the Christian Action Network exposes these dangerous terrorist compounds and reveals for the first time a secret training tape in which American Muslims are recruited to “join one of the most advanced training courses in Islamic military warfare”… right here in America! They are called “Soldiers of Allah” and they are trained in explosives, kidnapping, murder, firing weapons, and guerilla warfare. They are told, “Act like you are a friend, then kill him just like from the book.”
Go watch the video and then tell me we dont have the problem I mentioned.
http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/02/christian-action-network35-islamic.html
Let me be up front, anyone attacking me, or any one of my friends at UCLA because of our faith, will rue the day. I will defend myself. I am
armed with (legal) weapons under California law.
I have personally spoken to several LAPD and sheriffs, about the use of these weapons. They say, consider how toxic they are, and whether it’s worth getting involved in the legal system. “The “liberal” attorney profession will do everything possible to make my your miserable.”
I am prepared for the worst.
There are only a very few circumastances that one can defend oneself
using these weapons..that is very important to understand.
For example, if a pro-Palestinian protestor calls you a “Dirty Heb” or
says, “You should burn in hell” or “Go back to Israel” (that’s a good one),
or “kill the juice” (juice?), or “We need another Holocaust”, AND then
attacks, you are allowed to defend yourself, and I don’t mean just
by throwing bagels or skull caps or threatening intervention of Hashem.
I read in a local paper today that students are cowering in fear
on the UCLA campus..that anti-Semitism is rampent in the libaray,
cafeteria and classroom. Students are harassed going to and from class
and on the walkways.
Folks, there are over 5,000 Jewish students attending UCLA.
I am sure that if the black or Hispanic students were similarly
inconvenienced…all hell would break out.
Of course only identifiable Jews can be attacked personally. I shudder
to think what a Student for Christ would do, how he (she) would react
to taunts (thinking they are Jewish). Maybe it’s their scholarly posture
or comfortment that fools these pro-Palis thugs. Or as one wise-guy once told me, “All Jewish students at Harvard read the newsaper at their
meals”. Wowowoow.
I would recommend one of the producers of the current (crap) crop of
Holocaust movies makes a film about hatred on the UCLA campus. The
background would be perfect, and many, many films have been made there.
Let’s see, Kate Winslet, the illerate who garners sympathy over even
though she’s a NAZI SS guard in Auschwitz, the Tom Cruz film about
a NAZI general who hated Jews, but hated Hilter more (he was losing
the war).
BTW, those who attacked Hitler were concerned that Germany was moving
in the wrong direction..and losing., not their overall plan to create
“A New World Order”. No SS guard was forced to serve in a camp. They did it volunarily without any recrimination if they decided to go back
to the regular German army (on the Russian front and elsewhere).
They had it good in those camps..no enemy to fight, and 3 squares, plus
Christmas gifts.
Doesn’t this all sound familar, A New World Order…except now it’s an Islamic empire, with Sharia, you know, their law that allows severing
of heads and arms? (Read the Taliban and Saudi Arabia).